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jinftl wrote:The weather data this ship will be able to provide will be like a recon flight on the surface...we will get great real time pressure and wind readings...if they send it to the NHC!
FutureEM wrote:This could be an example of profits>safety, but if the ship is damaged or ppl are injured it is all a net loss anyways. Stupid
jinftl wrote:Jim Cantore on TWC just showed a Celebrity Cruise ship leaving New York harbor...over 2500 passengers and crew on a ship that size...i can not believe that is heading out to sea...no matter what direction that ship is heading, those folks are heading straight into 20, 30, even 40 foot seas. Couldn't pay me to be on that ship.
chaser1 wrote:
No, seriously.....is a valid question/observation. I can't speak for anyone else, however as one who does enjoy posting in most tropical cyclone "discussion" or the "model" forums, I am sitting back and have not chosen or needed to post for a number of reason.
1) I have family up in Woodmere (Long Island), NY. I have been pouring over model info, slosh models, etc., as well as been on the phone trying to urge them to evacuate given that they are less than a mile from Motts Creek which connects to the North Bay in S. Long Island. I am reallyl fearfull of the possibility of standing water in their house for perhaps a 24 hr. (or longer) duration - dependant on timing with astronomical tide, direction of landfall/wind direction, etc. Despite their awareness of my tropical meteorological knowledge, they are reluctant to evacuate to be with other family not too far away and out of (storm surge) harms way.
2) I am rather out of my leauge with hybrid/baroclinic/post tropical systems and I just do not have much to draw on with regards to my own historical awareness or knowledge of similar baroclinic transitional systems. As one who has chased hurricanes for years, I never had much interest in systems once they've traversed latitudes farther north than the N. Caroline Cape, mostly due to the fact that the vast majority of storms at this latitude, would have simply lost most tropical characteristics and many would have weakened to a T.S. while nearing landfall.
3) Most tropical cyclone "enthusiasts", are fascinated in the evolution and development of such systems and some of the amazing meteorological features associated. With Sandy, ever since spinning east of the N. Bahamas, nearly all convection has been lost and many may have lost interest in the "minute by minute" observations that many here make on minor changes in dynamic structure. The process by which purely tropical systems weaken and have wind fields expand, makes the cyclone (NOT the event) itself less dynamic. When one removes the cyclone itself from the event, many (tropical weather enthusiasts) cannot comprehend the risks associated with 60-70mph; not when they are so much more accustomed to watching or tracking much stronger hurricanes. Kinda like me hearing about a series of 4.0 earthquakes somewhere in California, when I live in Florida. I think, not a big deal, but I know full well that if I heard a 7.5 quake - that this could be a disaster. The reality is that even a series of smaller quakes might be enough to cause havoc - at leasts to a number of unfortunate people but the balance of the general public that do not experience such things, would hardly grasp the perspective.
4) And finally, there is the "regional interest". People's interest are typically peaked when "they" are the one at risk of being affected. Take it a step futher; even thouse in Louisiana might be concerned in a Florida landfall event. Why? Well for one, because there remains that downstream risk that the same storm might just continue into the Gulf and impact them. I think that is normal human behavior though.
Having said all this, it continues to be hard for me to wrap my mind around an event where the storm itself seems less than dynamic, yet I do understand that its all about the conditions that will prevail for an area that is less inclinded to experience them. Like many others, I am still here but simply hanging back and watching it all unfold.
Terry wrote:This is what someone on here was posting about earlier and I said NO WAY. Way... As in Way Stupid.jinftl wrote:If you can believe this....i stand corrected...this is the ship that TWC showed heading out of NYC harbor. Ship is heading south for two days at sea and then Port Caneveral, Florida
From website: Carnival's Miracle's October 29 sailing will now depart a day early, on October 28. Check-in is scheduled from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m. and departure is set for 6 p.m. The revised schedule is as follows: New York (October 28), Day at Sea (October 29 and 30), Port Canaveral (October 31), Nassau (November 1), Day at Sea (November 2), Grand Turk (November 3), Day at Sea (November 4 and 5), return to New York (November 6).
HedwigTramp wrote:Terry wrote:This is what someone on here was posting about earlier and I said NO WAY. Way... As in Way Stupid.jinftl wrote:If you can believe this....i stand corrected...this is the ship that TWC showed heading out of NYC harbor. Ship is heading south for two days at sea and then Port Caneveral, Florida
From website: Carnival's Miracle's October 29 sailing will now depart a day early, on October 28. Check-in is scheduled from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m. and departure is set for 6 p.m. The revised schedule is as follows: New York (October 28), Day at Sea (October 29 and 30), Port Canaveral (October 31), Nassau (November 1), Day at Sea (November 2), Grand Turk (November 3), Day at Sea (November 4 and 5), return to New York (November 6).
The safest place for that ship is on the Ocean. It is much more likely to be damaged in port. 20-25 seas to that floating city are similar to lake generated waves from a 10 mph wind on your 18 foot runabout.
The military gets all their ships out of port in a major storm.
The weather data this ship will be able to provide will be like a recon flight on the surface...we will get great real time pressure and wind readings...if they send it to the NHC!
HedwigTramp wrote:Terry wrote:This is what someone on here was posting about earlier and I said NO WAY. Way... As in Way Stupid.jinftl wrote:If you can believe this....i stand corrected...this is the ship that TWC showed heading out of NYC harbor. Ship is heading south for two days at sea and then Port Caneveral, Florida
From website: Carnival's Miracle's October 29 sailing will now depart a day early, on October 28. Check-in is scheduled from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m. and departure is set for 6 p.m. The revised schedule is as follows: New York (October 28), Day at Sea (October 29 and 30), Port Canaveral (October 31), Nassau (November 1), Day at Sea (November 2), Grand Turk (November 3), Day at Sea (November 4 and 5), return to New York (November 6).
The safest place for that ship is on the Ocean. It is much more likely to be damaged in port. 20-25 seas to that floating city are similar to lake generated waves from a 10 mph wind on your 18 foot runabout.
The military gets all their ships out of port in a major storm.
CajunMama wrote:I follow John Heald, Sr. Cruise Director on fb. He said he spoke to the cd on one of the ships and it was the roughest he's been through but the guests are having a blast.
If you hurry you can catch the Miracle leaving NY Harbor. http://www.nyharborwebcam.com May be interesting to watch the webcam tomorrow too.
curmy wrote:Hi Everyone! I've been a long time lurker and decided I would post before we lose power...
I'm about 25 miles inland "as the crow flyes" from Lewes/Rehobeth, Delaware. Currently, we are getting light rain and light wind. We started our preps on Thursday, which basically consisted of taking "everything" out of the shed and attic. The generator started on the first pull, Thank you God! You name it, we got it. Didn't need to go to the store one thing! We are now done and ready.
We are rural and are on well water, so we will be the last to get power back on. We spent all day yesterday filling 50 gallon jugs with water and 5 gallon containers. Solar showers are filled too. I'm doing all my baking today. The pine-apple upside down cake looks devine
The pantry full of home canned foods are a blessing at a time like this.
I just heard on the local tv that mandatory evacs are underway in Ocean City and the Delaware beaches (kent county). I've also gotten several emails from Verizon advising that connectivity might be an issue during the storm. Duh, Ya' think? So, I went to my inbox and sure enough, I can't send or receive messages....No big deal, but I will miss being online and losing the satellite. The weather radio, battery operated tv, and library will fill the gap.
Thanks to everyone for all you do here. It means alot!
Regards,
Curmy
monicaei wrote:Ok, seriously... Where IS everyone?
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