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#2421 Postby brunota2003 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:39 pm

HurricaneAndrew92 wrote:So at least 50kts at 5?

Well, the pressure doesn't really have much to do with the wind speeds of the actual storm. But yes, per the latest update to the Best Track (Cycloneye posted) then at 5 pm the intensity will most likely be 50 knots.

EDIT: Let me clarify...a *certain* pressure doesn't match a certain wind speed.
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Tropical Storm

#2422 Postby stormhunter7 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:40 pm

so pressure went up for a few hours... then in two hours it start drops 3 mb? and center is more West"North"west of the last fix... hmm
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#2423 Postby Nederlander » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:40 pm

HurricaneAndrew92 wrote:In case you didn't see it, it says 50kts or 60 mph.


nvm lol.. I just noticed that I mixed the two.. But anywho, I don't recall the relationship between a pressure drop and wind speed increase to be linear?
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#2424 Postby pcolaman » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:40 pm

pcolaman wrote:http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/floaters/05L/flash-rbtop-long.html

Looks like a nw direction to me on the loops but just my opinion .
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#2425 Postby HurricaneAndrew92 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:42 pm

Nederlander wrote:
HurricaneAndrew92 wrote:In case you didn't see it, it says 50kts or 60 mph.


nvm lol.. I just noticed that I mixed the two.. But anywho, I don't recall the relationship between a pressure drop and wind speed increase to be linear?

Did the same thing when I saw it.
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Tropical Storm

#2426 Postby Stormlover2012 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:44 pm

This is the new update from jeff masters:

Forecast for Ernesto
Ernesto continues to be a major challenge to forecast. Despite the seemingly favorable conditions for intensification expected today through Tuesday, with low wind shear, a moister environment, and increasing heat energy in the ocean, many of our top computer models refuse to predict intensification, and in fact, weaken the storm. Of the major dynamical models NHC uses operationally--the ECMWF, GFS, NOGAPS, UKMET, GFDL, and HWRF--only the NOGAPS and GFDL show Ernesto reaching hurricane strength in the Caribbean. The ECMWF dissipates the storm. However, some of the best statistical models, such as the LGEM and SHIPS, do show Ernesto becoming a Category 1 or 2 hurricane in the Caribbean. The official NHC intensity forecast of a Category 1 hurricane between Jamaica and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula is a reasonable compromise, but the uncertainty in this is high. It would not be a surprise to see Ernesto mysteriously degrade, or undergo rapid intensification into a Category 2 hurricane off the coast of the Yucatan. Such is the state of modern hurricane intensity forecasting. Given that we don't have a very good idea of how strong Ernesto will become, making an accurate track forecast is hard. A stronger Ernesto will be more likely to feel the influence of a trough of low pressure moving to the north of the storm on Tuesday, which would pull the storm to the northwest into the Gulf of Mexico. This would likely result in a landfall in the U.S. A weaker Ernesto is more likely to head almost due west, resulting in a landfall Wednesday in Belize or Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. This is the more likely solution, given the recent behavior of the storm.
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#2427 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:47 pm

If Ernesto would take a NNW turn.

What if... I told you @ the beginning of the season that the NOGAPS would finally out preform the GFS and Euro models...
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Models

#2428 Postby Sanibel » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:48 pm

Something wrong here. GFDL is saying 22KTS prior to Yucatan (wack). And this is the exaggerating model on intensity.
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Models

#2429 Postby ROCK » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:50 pm

12Z NOGAPS....really no change

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/wxmap_cgi/cg ... t=Tropical


the 12Z GFDL is actually weaker and opens it up into a wave at one poit before heading to LA as a t-storm... :D

the 12Z HWRF is the same.

the 12Z EURO the same

the 12Z GFS the same......

not sure how we can go against all these models.....last discussion was interesting when they mentioned they dusted off the ole FSU super duper model.... :lol:
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#2430 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:51 pm

Kingarabian wrote:What if... I told you @ the beginning of the season that the NOGAPS would finally out preform the GFS and Euro models...


What does that model does?
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Models

#2431 Postby ROCK » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:53 pm

interesting that the TVCN model blend is now north of the NHC plot...though I guess the NHC hasnt updated yet. They usually follow it to a T...
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#2432 Postby SouthDadeFish » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:54 pm

Near ideal wind shear conditions:

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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Models

#2433 Postby brunota2003 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:55 pm

ROCK wrote:interesting that the TVCN model blend is now north of the NHC plot...though I guess the NHC hasnt updated yet. They usually follow it to a T...

From 11 am discussion:

BOTH THE GFDL AND HWRF TURN
ERNESTO NORTHWARD...AND THE RELIABLE GLOBAL MODELS KEEP THE CYCLONE
ON A WEST-NORTHWEST TRACK. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS HEAVILY BIASED
TOWARD THE GLOBAL MODELS AND IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS NHC
FORECAST.
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#2434 Postby SouthDadeFish » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:56 pm

Looks like we have an eye now according to the 37 GHz pass:

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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Models

#2435 Postby Sanibel » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:58 pm

They must be thinking that ULL over the GOM will shear Ernesto down.
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Models

#2436 Postby ROCK » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:58 pm

brunota2003 wrote:
ROCK wrote:interesting that the TVCN model blend is now north of the NHC plot...though I guess the NHC hasnt updated yet. They usually follow it to a T...

From 11 am discussion:

BOTH THE GFDL AND HWRF TURN
ERNESTO NORTHWARD...AND THE RELIABLE GLOBAL MODELS KEEP THE CYCLONE
ON A WEST-NORTHWEST TRACK. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS HEAVILY BIASED
TOWARD THE GLOBAL MODELS AND IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS NHC
FORECAST.



thanks....I havent caught up...been mowing in 105 heat index... :cheesy:
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Tropical Storm

#2437 Postby Hurricaneman » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:00 pm

I would put out a hurricane watch for Jamaica if things progress, the GHz pass even indicates the beginning of an eyewall

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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Tropical Storm

#2438 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:00 pm

This is from Bryan Norcross on his Facebook page.

Well, it's time to start paying attention to Ernesto. The system is looking better developed on the satellite, but Hurricane Hunters flying through the storm this morning are not finding an especially strong storm. In any case, the big question is, what's going to happen once the storm gets to western Caribbean. The weather pattern is straight forward, but the fine details are complicated. A ...
strong high pressure system spreads across most of the Atlantic Ocean which generally holds storms south. When the western end of that high shrinks back into the Atlantic, it creates a path for storms to turn north, if a storm is positioned to take it. In addition, however, and here's the complication, there is often a flow farther south that continues to the west that a storm can take. Essentially, there's a fork in the road. Another complication is that the strength of the storm can influence which fork it takes, with generally stronger storms turning right and weaker storm staying left. So here's the challenge with Ernesto. The best computer forecast models on average over the past few years show Ernesto staying relatively weak and taking the left fork toward Central America and the southern Yucatan. The models that have been poorer the last few years show Ernesto getting much stronger, taking the right fork, and heading for the Gulf of Mexico. Normally you would say, "trust those most reliable models". But, in this case there is nothing obvious that would keep Ernesto from intensifying in the Western Caribbean, perhaps quite rapidly, so the normally most reliable models are called into question. About the time that Ernesto gets south of Cuba, the path to north should open and it seems that a strong Ernesto would take it which would pose a threat to the Gulf coast late next week. A weak Ernesto would likely not "see" it, however, and head more westerly posing a flood threat to parts of Central America and Mexico. For now, we stay tuned. In the short term, Ernesto should pass south of Jamaica late tomorrow with just gusty outer squalls affecting the island.
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#2439 Postby Rgv20 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:01 pm

Majority of the 12zGFS Ensembles show Ernesto making 2 landfalls in Mexico..

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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Tropical Storm

#2440 Postby ROCK » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:02 pm

Hurricaneman wrote:I would put out a hurricane watch for Jamaica if things progress, the GHz pass even indicates the beginning of an eyewall

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I agree.....eyewall beginning to form, 60MPH, close enough IMO to let Jamiaca know whats heading close to them....or maybe on top of them. E looks like he is stair stepping...

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