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#2821 Postby ozonepete » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:29 pm

Vandymit wrote:
brunota2003 wrote:Now here comes the kicker...if this has indeed opened up into a very strong trough and has no low level circulation...do you downgrade it to just an area of low pressure, or do you keep it going? Knowing that the convection is very strong, the water temps are almost bathlike ahead, and it *should* slow down. Some forecasters are sitting on the hot seat tonight!



Well, I think if Ernesto does not meet all the criteria of being a tropicial storm then it should be downgraded. But, these guys at the NHC sometimes throw the science books out the window.


That is totally out of line and not true in any way.
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#2822 Postby Shuriken » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:34 pm

There is no way in hell that the NHC is going to downgrade a system with a -70c meatball just because the surface is messy -- especially when TS-force winds are still occurring over a large swatch.

They've seen them do this before, and know it's only temporary.
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Recon

#2823 Postby littlevince » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:35 pm

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#2824 Postby brunota2003 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:37 pm

But if there is no llc, it does not meet the criteria of a tropical cyclone...regardless of the windspeed. So if you keep it going, people are going to get "upset". If you kill it, people might get upset.

Granted, another cyclone did the same thing back in 1992. His name was Andrew.

The difference? The internet. Back then, they didn't have social media to really "worry" about.
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#2825 Postby Dave » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:37 pm

000
URNT15 KNHC 050234
AF307 0505A ERNESTO HDOB 28 20120805
022500 1541N 07351W 8429 01605 0126 +188 +137 056031 032 021 003 00
022530 1539N 07352W 8429 01604 0127 +185 +144 054030 031 022 001 00
022600 1538N 07352W 8430 01604 0125 +185 +142 053030 030 021 002 00
022630 1536N 07353W 8429 01602 0125 +185 +146 053029 030 023 001 00
022700 1534N 07353W 8430 01601 0125 +185 +148 052029 029 021 001 00
022730 1532N 07353W 8429 01601 0125 +185 +146 048029 029 019 002 00
022800 1530N 07354W 8430 01601 0126 +185 +144 048029 029 019 002 00
022830 1529N 07354W 8430 01601 0126 +180 +147 049029 029 019 003 00
022900 1527N 07354W 8429 01604 0126 +180 +148 049028 029 021 002 00
022930 1525N 07355W 8430 01601 0126 +183 +146 050029 029 020 002 00
023000 1523N 07355W 8432 01600 0124 +185 +145 050029 030 020 002 00
023030 1521N 07355W 8429 01602 0123 +187 +141 050028 029 021 001 00
023100 1519N 07356W 8428 01602 0122 +184 +150 051026 027 021 001 00
023130 1518N 07356W 8429 01601 0122 +187 +147 046026 027 023 001 00
023200 1516N 07356W 8428 01604 0120 +192 +138 043027 027 023 001 00
023230 1514N 07357W 8436 01596 0121 +186 +160 045027 027 023 001 00
023300 1512N 07357W 8427 01606 0124 +189 +142 042024 027 022 002 00
023330 1510N 07358W 8429 01603 0124 +188 +138 040023 023 023 002 00
023400 1509N 07358W 8429 01602 0123 +187 +141 040023 023 024 001 00
023430 1507N 07358W 8429 01602 0122 +190 +145 038022 023 022 002 00
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#2826 Postby mcheer23 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:38 pm

Lol...why would they discontinue a system..that will likely blow up about this time tomorrow.. everything seems perfect for this system to ramp up. Dry air is just keeping it in check right now
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#2827 Postby Florida1118 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:41 pm

mcheer23 wrote:Lol...why would they discontinue a system..that will likely blow up about this time tomorrow.. everything seems perfect for this system to ramp up. Dry air is just keeping it in check right now

Its not dry air at all...if it is not a tropical cyclone, its not. It needs a Low Level Circulation, and if it doesn't have one, no TC. Dry air has nothing to do with it.
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#2828 Postby Hurricaneman » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:41 pm

brunota2003 wrote:But if there is no llc, it does not meet the criteria of a tropical cyclone...regardless of the windspeed. So if you keep it going, people are going to get "upset". If you kill it, people might get upset.

Granted, another cyclone did the same thing back in 1992. His name was Andrew.

The difference? The internet. Back then, they didn't have social media to really "worry" about.


so did Irene in 2005 or an even better example Jeanne in 2004, just because the LLCC is diffuse doesn't mean it can't be dangerous later so I wouldn't let my guard down from New Orleans to Veracruz

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#2829 Postby Shuriken » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:42 pm

vbhoutex wrote:Shuriken, I am sure you probably know quite a bit more than I do about TCs but that WV loop shows a lot to me. IMO, until Ernesto slows down, he will not intensify much if at all. The LLCC is almost out to the dry air ahead of it. That can not be good for development unless I have forgotten some of the stuff I have learned.
Possibly the most overrated phenomena ever -- it would matter is the storm were skirting a desert (rather than moist tropical jungles) such as out by Baja or in Australia or the Arabian Sea or dealing with the SAL out in the mid-Atlantic. Otherwise the "dry air" the peeps talk about are simply subsidence zones with low precipitable water in the column. But there MUST be zones of subsidence between zones of convection -- what goes up has to come down somewhere. This does not mean the various zones crash into one another rather than bending and twisting around as weather systems are wont to do.

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IMO, Ernesto also has got to get further N away from SA before we see much intensification.
It's a sentient monster -- it's waiting, waiting, ever so patiently, for you to go sleep.

Go to sleep. Sleeeeep.

It's a harmless TS; and the NHC will (likely) re-confirm at 11pm.

It will not explode in the middle of the night the second it hits 73W after clearing the Caribbean pinch-point.

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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Recon

#2830 Postby littlevince » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:44 pm

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#2831 Postby mcheer23 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:45 pm

Florida1118 wrote:
mcheer23 wrote:Lol...why would they discontinue a system..that will likely blow up about this time tomorrow.. everything seems perfect for this system to ramp up. Dry air is just keeping it in check right now

Its not dry air at all...if it is not a tropical cyclone, its not. It needs a Low Level Circulation, and if it doesn't have one, no TC. Dry air has nothing to do with it.


Theres a dry air patch its currently running into id think that has to least prevent further development just a little
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#2832 Postby Dave » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:46 pm

000
URNT15 KNHC 050243
AF307 0505A ERNESTO HDOB 29 20120805
023500 1505N 07359W 8430 01600 0119 +190 +155 041021 022 025 002 00
023530 1503N 07359W 8432 01599 0120 +188 +162 039020 021 024 002 00
023600 1501N 07359W 8429 01601 0119 +186 +160 037020 020 024 002 00
023630 1500N 07400W 8430 01599 0119 +185 +157 034020 020 025 002 00
023700 1458N 07400W 8429 01601 0120 +187 +149 035019 019 025 002 00
023730 1456N 07400W 8430 01599 0121 +184 +159 039019 019 025 003 00
023800 1454N 07401W 8430 01599 0121 +185 +159 039020 020 023 004 00
023830 1453N 07401W 8429 01600 0122 +182 +161 039020 020 024 002 00
023900 1451N 07401W 8430 01599 0122 +180 +161 038020 020 024 002 00
023930 1449N 07402W 8432 01599 0122 +182 +158 041019 020 023 003 00
024000 1447N 07402W 8429 01601 0122 +183 +156 043020 021 022 002 00
024030 1445N 07402W 8429 01600 0123 +180 +158 042020 021 023 002 00
024100 1444N 07403W 8430 01600 0125 +178 +161 043020 020 022 003 00
024130 1442N 07403W 8432 01599 0125 +176 +164 042019 020 021 003 00
024200 1440N 07404W 8429 01601 0125 +177 +164 041019 019 021 002 00
024230 1438N 07404W 8430 01600 0126 +178 +162 041018 019 023 003 00
024300 1437N 07404W 8429 01600 0123 +177 +172 038017 017 025 002 00
024330 1435N 07405W 8434 01595 0122 +180 +172 032016 016 022 002 00
024400 1433N 07405W 8429 01601 0123 +179 +170 035016 017 021 002 00
024430 1431N 07405W 8430 01600 0125 +177 +176 036017 017 018 003 00
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#2833 Postby Florida1118 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:46 pm

mcheer23 wrote:
Florida1118 wrote:
mcheer23 wrote:Lol...why would they discontinue a system..that will likely blow up about this time tomorrow.. everything seems perfect for this system to ramp up. Dry air is just keeping it in check right now

Its not dry air at all...if it is not a tropical cyclone, its not. It needs a Low Level Circulation, and if it doesn't have one, no TC. Dry air has nothing to do with it.


Theres a dry air patch its currently running into id think that has to least prevent further development just a little

It has handled dry air fairly well; the current issue is that the system's core is poorly organized and might not even have a LLC.
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Advisories

#2834 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:49 pm

WTNT35 KNHC 050247
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TROPICAL STORM ERNESTO ADVISORY NUMBER 14
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL052012
1100 PM EDT SAT AUG 04 2012

...HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT REPORTS ERNESTO HAS LOST SOME
ORGANIZATION...


SUMMARY OF 1100 PM EDT...0300 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...15.4N 72.7W
ABOUT 285 MI...455 KM SW OF SANTO DOMINGO DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
ABOUT 325 MI...525 KM ESE OF KINGSTON JAMAICA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...60 MPH...95 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 285 DEGREES AT 22 MPH...35 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1007 MB...29.74 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY...

NONE.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT...

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR...
* JAMAICA

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING MEANS THAT TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN 36 HOURS.

INTERESTS IN THE CAYMAN ISLANDS AND THE YUCATAN PENINSULA OF MEXICO
SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF ERNESTO. A TROPICAL STORM WATCH MAY
BE REQUIRED FOR PORTIONS OF THE CAYMAN ISLANDS ON SUNDAY.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...PLEASE MONITOR
PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR NATIONAL METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE.


DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
------------------------------
AT 1100 PM EDT...0300 UTC...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM ERNESTO WAS
LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 15.4 NORTH...LONGITUDE 72.7 WEST. ERNESTO IS
MOVING TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST NEAR 22 MPH...35 KM/H. A TURN
TOWARD THE WEST IS EXPECTED ON SUNDAY...FOLLOWED BY A TURN TOWARD
THE WEST-NORTHWEST ON MONDAY. ON THE FORECAST TRACK...ERNESTO WILL
MOVE SOUTH OF HISPANIOLA TONIGHT...MOVE SOUTH OF JAMAICA SUNDAY
AFTERNOON...AND MOVE SOUTH OF THE CAYMAN ISLANDS ON MONDAY.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 60 MPH...95 KM/H...WITH HIGHER
GUSTS. LITTLE CHANGE IN STRENGTH IS EXPECTED THROUGH SUNDAY...WITH
SLOW STRENGTHENING EXPECTED ON MONDAY.

TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 140 MILES...220 KM
FROM THE CENTER.

THE LATEST MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE REPORTED BY AN AIR FORCE RESERVE
HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT IS 1007 MB...29.74 INCHES.


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
WIND...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED ON JAMAICA BY SUNDAY
AFTERNOON. SOME SQUALLS WILL CONTINUE TO AFFECT THE SOUTH COAST OF
PUERTO RICO AND HISPANIOLA TONIGHT AND SUNDAY.

RAINFALL...RAINFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF 3 TO 6 INCHES...WITH ISOLATED
HIGHER AMOUNTS...CAN BE EXPECTED IN JAMAICA AS ERNESTO MOVES BY THE
ISLAND. SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS...OCCASIONALLY HEAVY...ARE
POSSIBLE OVER THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC AND HAITI.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
NEXT INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY...200 AM EDT.
NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY...500 AM EDT.

$$
FORECASTER BEVEN

TCDAT5

TROPICAL STORM ERNESTO DISCUSSION NUMBER 14
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL052012
1100 PM EDT SAT AUG 04 2012

DESPITE AN IMPRESSIVE APPEARANCE IN INFRARED IMAGERY...MICROWAVE
IMAGERY AND REPORTS FROM AN AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER
AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT ERNESTO HAS LOST SOME ORGANIZATION DURING
THE PAST SEVERAL HOURS. THE MICROWAVE DATA SUGGESTS THAT THE
LOW-LEVEL CENTER HAS BECOME PARTLY EXPOSED TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE
STRONG CONVECTION...AND THE AIRCRAFT REPORTS THAT THE CENTRAL
PRESSURE HAS RISEN TO 1007 MB. SINCE THE PLANE HAS NOT YET FULLY
SAMPLED THE NORTHEASTERN QUADRANT WHERE THE STRONGEST WINDS WERE
FOUND EARLIER...THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS HELD AT 50 KT. HOWEVER...
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THIS ESTIMATE IS GENEROUS.

THE LOW-LEVEL CENTER HAS ACCELERATED WEST-NORTHWESTWARD SINCE THE
LAST ADVISORY...WITH A SHORT-TERM FORWARD SPEED OF OVER 20 KT. A
LONGER-TERM MOTION IS 285/19...WHICH IS THE INITIAL MOTION FOR THE
ADVISORY. THE REASON FOR THIS TRACK CHANGE IS UNCLEAR. HOWEVER...
THE GUIDANCE IS IN GOOD AGREEMENT THAT ERNESTO SHOULD RESUME A
WESTWARD MOTION DURING THE NEXT 12 HR OR SO ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF
THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE. AFTER 24-36 HR...THE RIDGE SHOULD GRADUALLY
WEAKEN AS A MID/UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH DEVELOPS OVER THE EASTERN UNITED
STATES. WHILE SOME SPREAD REMAINS...THE GUIDANCE HAS COME INTO
BETTER AGREEMENT THAT ERNESTO WILL TURN WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT A
REDUCED FORWARD SPEED AFTER 36 HR...MOVING OVER THE YUCATAN
PENINSULA OF MEXICO BETWEEN 72-96 HR AND REACHING THE SOUTHERN OR
SOUTHWESTERN GULF OF MEXICO BY THE END OF THE FORECAST PERIOD. THE
NEW FORECAST TRACK IS SHIFTED A LITTLE NORTH OF THE PREVIOUS TRACK
THROUGH 24 HR DUE TO THE INITIAL MOTION. HOWEVER...IT HAS BEEN
SHIFTED SOUTHWARD AFTER THAT TIME TO LIE NEAR THE VARIOUS CONSENSUS
MODELS. OVERALL...THE NEW FORECAST TRACK IS FASTER THAN THE
PREVIOUS TRACK.

IT IS ALSO UNCLEAR WHY ERNESTO HAS LOST ORGANIZATION SINCE THE
OUTFLOW IS GOOD IN ALL DIRECTIONS...THE VERTICAL WIND SHEAR IS
LIGHT...AND THE SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES ARE WARM. ONE POSSIBLE
CAUSE MIGHT BE DRY AIR SEEN IN WATER VAPOR IMAGERY WEST OF THE
CYCLONE. THE DYNAMICAL GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO SUGGEST THAT ERNESTO
WILL NOT STRENGTHEN MUCH BEFORE REACHING THE NORTHWESTERN
CARIBBEAN...WHILE THE STATISTICAL-DYNAMICAL MODELS CONTINUE TO
FORECAST STEADY STRENGTHENING THROUGH THE FORECAST PERIOD. GIVEN
THE TRENDS DURING THE PAST 24 HR...THE NEW INTENSITY FORECAST CALLS
FOR A LOWER INTENSIFICATION RATE THAN THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY...WITH
ERNESTO BECOMING A HURRICANE IN 48 HR. GIVE THE DIVERGENT
GUIDANCE...THE INTENSITY FORECAST REMAINS OF LOW CONFIDENCE.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 05/0300Z 15.4N 72.7W 50 KT 60 MPH
12H 05/1200Z 15.8N 75.5W 50 KT 60 MPH
24H 06/0000Z 16.1N 78.7W 50 KT 60 MPH
36H 06/1200Z 16.3N 81.0W 60 KT 70 MPH
48H 07/0000Z 17.0N 82.9W 65 KT 75 MPH
72H 08/0000Z 18.5N 86.5W 75 KT 85 MPH
96H 09/0000Z 20.5N 89.5W 70 KT 80 MPH...INLAND
120H 10/0000Z 22.0N 92.5W 65 KT 75 MPH...OVER WATER

$$
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Recon

#2835 Postby littlevince » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:50 pm

Dave wrote:000
URNT15 KNHC 050243
AF307 0505A ERNESTO HDOB 29 20120805
023500 1505N 07359W 8430 01600 0119 +190 +155 041021 022 025 002 00
023530 1503N 07359W 8432 01599 0120 +188 +162 039020 021 024 002 00
023600 1501N 07359W 8429 01601 0119 +186 +160 037020 020 024 002 00
023630 1500N 07400W 8430 01599 0119 +185 +157 034020 020 025 002 00
023700 1458N 07400W 8429 01601 0120 +187 +149 035019 019 025 002 00
023730 1456N 07400W 8430 01599 0121 +184 +159 039019 019 025 003 00
023800 1454N 07401W 8430 01599 0121 +185 +159 039020 020 023 004 00
023830 1453N 07401W 8429 01600 0122 +182 +161 039020 020 024 002 00
023900 1451N 07401W 8430 01599 0122 +180 +161 038020 020 024 002 00
023930 1449N 07402W 8432 01599 0122 +182 +158 041019 020 023 003 00
024000 1447N 07402W 8429 01601 0122 +183 +156 043020 021 022 002 00
024030 1445N 07402W 8429 01600 0123 +180 +158 042020 021 023 002 00
024100 1444N 07403W 8430 01600 0125 +178 +161 043020 020 022 003 00
024130 1442N 07403W 8432 01599 0125 +176 +164 042019 020 021 003 00
024200 1440N 07404W 8429 01601 0125 +177 +164 041019 019 021 002 00
024230 1438N 07404W 8430 01600 0126 +178 +162 041018 019 023 003 00
024300 1437N 07404W 8429 01600 0123 +177 +172 038017 017 025 002 00
024330 1435N 07405W 8434 01595 0122 +180 +172 032016 016 022 002 00
024400 1433N 07405W 8429 01601 0123 +179 +170 035016 017 021 002 00
024430 1431N 07405W 8430 01600 0125 +177 +176 036017 017 018 003 00
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Tropical Storm

#2836 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:52 pm

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#2837 Postby mcheer23 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:54 pm

South texas and northern mexico need to keep there eye on this storm
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#2838 Postby Dave » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:57 pm

000
URNT15 KNHC 050253
AF307 0505A ERNESTO HDOB 30 20120805
024500 1430N 07406W 8429 01601 0122 +181 +167 036016 017 021 003 00
024530 1428N 07406W 8429 01601 0124 +179 +167 036016 016 020 003 00
024600 1426N 07406W 8429 01601 0124 +181 +163 037016 016 013 004 00
024630 1424N 07407W 8430 01600 0124 +178 +173 034016 016 016 004 00
024700 1423N 07407W 8429 01602 0127 +176 +169 031017 017 021 002 00
024730 1421N 07407W 8432 01600 0127 +176 +156 032017 018 019 002 00
024800 1419N 07408W 8429 01602 0128 +176 +156 032016 018 015 004 00
024830 1417N 07408W 8430 01601 0127 +180 +158 030015 015 015 003 00
024900 1417N 07408W 8430 01601 0125 +181 +158 033016 016 014 004 00
024930 1414N 07409W 8430 01602 0127 +180 +159 034016 016 011 003 00
025000 1412N 07409W 8430 01602 0128 +179 +163 037015 016 014 003 00
025030 1410N 07409W 8430 01602 0127 +180 +162 037015 015 014 003 00
025100 1409N 07410W 8432 01601 0126 +181 +159 035014 015 013 003 00
025130 1407N 07410W 8429 01603 0124 +184 +158 041015 015 011 003 00
025200 1405N 07410W 8429 01603 0125 +184 +160 041016 017 010 003 00
025230 1403N 07411W 8430 01602 0126 +180 +162 043016 016 014 003 00
025300 1402N 07411W 8428 01603 0126 +178 +167 047016 017 009 003 00
025330 1400N 07411W 8434 01597 0128 +175 +174 057013 015 012 003 00
025400 1358N 07412W 8428 01601 0125 +170 +170 059011 013 011 003 05
025430 1357N 07411W 8430 01600 0124 +170 +170 070011 012 /// /// 05
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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Tropical Storm

#2839 Postby littlevince » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:57 pm

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Re: ATL: ERNESTO - Models

#2840 Postby thetruesms » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:58 pm

tolakram wrote:I'm not sure how the models work, but we know the other day Ernesto's LLC was extremely small, and models have resolution issues, so perhaps this is some kind of continuing resolution issue. You would think the model operator could correct for this, but again, no clue how the input really works.

We will know soon if the models are to be believed or not.
Ding ding ding! Johnny, tell him what he's won! 8-)

The internal structure of tropical cyclones are going to be too small to be resolved by the GFS. So really, if you were to see an "accurate" storm show up in an analysis, you might actually want to be concerned because then it's almost certainly overdoing the intensity. The much better resolution of the Euro might be good enough to capture large cores, but then you're operating right at the very edge of the model's limits. Plus the storm's information from NHC is not "bogussed" into the Euro as it is the GFS, so it has to create the vortex from its own data assimilation and analysis procedures. Given all those limitations, it's obvious that the Euro is unlikely to be able to fully represent the storm, either.

So, while you can gain some kind of relative/qualitative ideas about a storm's strength from the globals (monster/not a monster), asking them to truly and fully recreate the entire storm structure and intensity is simply beyond their physical capabilities. Despite this, the GFS and Euro can recreate the "big picture" of storms well enough that they have demonstrated themselves to be superior for track than everything else. In this instance, an 'open wave' in this case in the GFS or Euro doesn't necessarily mean there's no longer a tropical cyclone there, it just may be that the closed part of the circulation of a weaker cyclone is too small to be resolved by the model.

Another thing to consider is, for lack of a better term, 'display resolution'. Depending on what kind/size of image you're reproducing, you may have to thin out some data so it will be legible when plotted. This could potentially wash out some interesting information.

Now, does that mean they're never going to steer you wrong? Obviously not, they've both had demonstrated failings before. You've got to critically analyze the models and determine what might be good and what may not be to synthesize your own forecast. But if you're going to dismiss a global completely because it doesn't perfectly recreate the storm in a small picture file, you're never going to end up using the best two models available to you.
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