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#141 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:37 am

JTWC at its 0300 update predicted that this will retain TD status, intensify to 30 knots, still at TD status then making landfall while weakening.

At its 0900 update, the scenario changed. They forecast Peipah to intensify to 35-knots, at TS strength, then stronger at 40-knots while making landfall over Leyte. It slightly weakens as it makes landfall over Northern Cebu.

IMO, Peipah has to go east-northeast and stall there in order to attain tropical storm strength and to further intensify. It is currently bombarded by vertical wind shear but fueled by warm sea surface temperatures. The only time the shear will FURTHER relax is when the MJO arrives in this area.

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#142 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:44 am

PEIPAH is NOT a tropical depression. It actually is UNOFFICIALLY. Please change the title of the thread. :x


TS 1404 (PEIPAH)
Issued at 15:45 UTC, 7 April 2014

<Analyses at 07/15 UTC>
Scale -
Intensity -
Center position N6°30'(6.5°)
E131°50'(131.8°)
Direction and speed of movement Almost stationary
Central pressure 1000hPa
Maximum sustained wind speed 18m/s(35kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 25m/s(50kt)
Area of 30kt winds or more NW390km(210NM)
SE220km(120NM)
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Re: WPAC: PEIPAH - Tropical Depression

#143 Postby euro6208 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:03 am

Tropical Depression Peipah

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#144 Postby wxman57 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:15 pm

xtyphooncyclonex wrote:PEIPAH is NOT a tropical depression. It actually is UNOFFICIALLY. Please change the title of the thread. :x


TS 1404 (PEIPAH)
Issued at 15:45 UTC, 7 April 2014

<Analyses at 07/15 UTC>
Scale -
Intensity -
Center position N6°30'(6.5°)
E131°50'(131.8°)
Direction and speed of movement Almost stationary
Central pressure 1000hPa
Maximum sustained wind speed 18m/s(35kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 25m/s(50kt)
Area of 30kt winds or more NW390km(210NM)
SE220km(120NM)


You are correct in that JMA (the official agency for the West Pac, has it at 35 kts (TS). JTWC is not the official agency for the West Pac. However, it is questionable whether or not Peipah has any 35 kt winds. An ASCAT pass caught the leading edge of squalls and didn't indicate any tropical storm force winds.

http://www.jma.go.jp/en/typh/1404.html

Regardless, the main threat from Peipah will be from rainfall, not wind.
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WPAC: PEIPAH - Tropical Storm

#145 Postby euro6208 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:41 pm

Basin Name CurrentWind MaxWind ACE
05W PEIPAH 25 35 1.1025

look how much ace weak peipah contributed :D

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#146 Postby Hurricane_Luis » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:55 pm

How is this still a TS, I would think the JMA would have to get it right.
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Re: WPAC: PEIPAH - Tropical Storm

#147 Postby euro6208 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:43 pm

Remains a 30 knot tropical depression and struggling...


WDPN31 PGTW 072100
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR TROPICAL DEPRESSION 05W (PEIPAH)
WARNING NR 20//
RMKS//
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
TROPICAL DEPRESSION (TD) 05W (PEIPAH), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 778
NM SOUTHEAST OF MANILA, PHILIPPINES, HAS TRACKED WEST-NORTHWESTWARD
AT 04 KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS. ANIMATED ENHANCED INFRARED
SATELLITE IMAGERY A SLOWLY-CONSOLIDATING LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION
CENTER (LLCC) WITH THE BULK OF THE DEEP CONVECTION SHEARED WEST AND
NORTHWEST OF THE LLCC. A 071856Z TRMM IMAGE SHOWS WEAK, FRAGMENTED
CONVECTIVE BANDING WRAPPING INTO THE LLCC. UPPER-LEVEL ANALYSIS
REVEALS A MARGINAL ENVIRONMENT CHARACTERIZED BY MODERATE TO STRONG
(20 TO 30 KNOTS) EASTERLY VERTICAL WIND SHEAR OFFSET BY GOOD
DIFFLUENCE. BASED ON THE WEAK CONVECTIVE STRUCTURE, THERE IS FAIR
CONFIDENCE IN THE INITIAL POSITION. THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS
ASSESSED AT 30 KNOTS BASED ON DVORAK ESTIMATES OF 3O KNOTS FROM KNES
AND PGTW. TD 05W IS SITUATED WITHIN A WEAK STEERING ENVIRONMENT AND
HAS TRACKED ERRATICALLY AND SLOWLY OVER THE PAST 12 HOURS.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. NO CHANGE TO THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY SINCE THE PREVIOUS
PROGNOSTIC REASONING MESSAGE.
B. TD 05W IS FORECAST TO REMAIN IN THE WEAK STEERING ENVIRONMENT
THROUGH TAU 72 BUT IS FORECAST TO TRACK SLOWLY NORTHWESTWARD TOWARD
THE WEAKNESS IN THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE (STR). DYNAMIC GUIDANCE IS IN
FAIR AGREEMENT WITH SOLUTIONS INDICATING NORTHWESTWARD TO NORTHWARD
TRACKS. THE JTWC FORECAST TRACK IS POSITIONED CLOSE TO THE MULTI-
MODEL CONSENSUS. TD 05W SHOULD MAINTAIN INTENSITY THROUGH TAU 48
WITH A SLIGHT INCREASE TO 35 KNOTS BY TAU 72 AS THE TRACK SPEEDS
INCREASE AND AS THE SYSTEM TRACKS INTO LOWER VERTICAL WIND SHEAR
WITH ROBUST POLEWARD OUTFLOW.
C. IN THE EXTENDED TAUS, TD 05W IS EXPECTED TO TURN WEST-
NORTHWESTWARD AND TO ACCELERATE AS THE STR RE-BUILDS NORTH OF THE
SYSTEM. 05W SHOULD INTENSIFY SLIGHTLY TO A PEAK INTENSITY OF 40
KNOTS PRIOR TO TRACKING OVER THE PHILIPPINES. DUE TO THE UNCERTAINTY
IN THE INITIAL POSITION AS WELL AS MAJOR TRACK AND TRACK SPEED
DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE DYNAMIC MODELS, THERE IS LOW CONFIDENCE IN
THE JTWC TRACK FORECAST.//
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#148 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:03 pm

wxman57 wrote:
xtyphooncyclonex wrote:PEIPAH is NOT a tropical depression. It actually is UNOFFICIALLY. Please change the title of the thread. :x


TS 1404 (PEIPAH)
Issued at 15:45 UTC, 7 April 2014

<Analyses at 07/15 UTC>
Scale -
Intensity -
Center position N6°30'(6.5°)
E131°50'(131.8°)
Direction and speed of movement Almost stationary
Central pressure 1000hPa
Maximum sustained wind speed 18m/s(35kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 25m/s(50kt)
Area of 30kt winds or more NW390km(210NM)
SE220km(120NM)


You are correct in that JMA (the official agency for the West Pac, has it at 35 kts (TS). JTWC is not the official agency for the West Pac. However, it is questionable whether or not Peipah has any 35 kt winds. An ASCAT pass caught the leading edge of squalls and didn't indicate any tropical storm force winds.

http://www.jma.go.jp/en/typh/1404.html

Regardless, the main threat from Peipah will be from rainfall, not wind.

Peipah's just a disorganized mess near the Philippines. IMO, however, if it slows down and shifts its track away from the Visayas and moves slowly, it could be back in shape and possibly intensify. I'd go with 30 knots for now, as the storm's center is closer to the bulk of convection due to slightly lower shear. This is too weak to be classified to a tropical storm.


FYI, JMA has its own scale calles the Koba scale. It gives a higher intensity to weaker storms, as the opposite happens to stronger storms and typhoons.
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Re: WPAC: PEIPAH - Tropical Storm

#149 Postby euro6208 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:59 am

remains a depression and the cone of uncertainty for track stretches from luzon to mindanao! this system doesn't want to make up its mind!
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#150 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:26 am

euro6208 wrote:remains a depression and the cone of uncertainty for track stretches from luzon to mindanao! this system doesn't want to make up its mind!

Do I have to say this?

JTWC IS AN UNOFFICIAL AGENCY! Peipah is still officially a TS. Why do you disrespect JMA? You get either too bullish or always following an unofficial agency.
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Re: WPAC: PEIPAH - Tropical Storm

#151 Postby euro6208 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:44 am

xtyphooncyclonex wrote:
euro6208 wrote:remains a depression and the cone of uncertainty for track stretches from luzon to mindanao! this system doesn't want to make up its mind!

Do I have to say this?

JTWC IS AN UNOFFICIAL AGENCY! Peipah is still officially a TS. Why do you disrespect JMA? You get either too bullish or always following an unofficial agency.


if unofficial, then why does it always bother you? :lol: ignore it or accept it! ...it's my prefered choice and we are a U.S territory and our local NWS office follows JT.

can't ignore ASCAT too...
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Re: WPAC: PEIPAH - Tropical Storm

#152 Postby euro6208 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:50 am

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relocated 50 miles from previous warning!

WDPN31 PGTW 080900
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR TROPICAL DEPRESSION 05W (PEIPAH)
WARNING NR 22//
RMKS//
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
TROPICAL DEPRESSION (TD) 05W (PEIPAH), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 670
NM EAST-SOUTHEAST OF MANILA, PHILIPPINES, HAS TRACKED NORTH-
NORTHWESTWARD AT 09 KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS. ANIMATED
MULTISPECTRAL SATELLITE IMAGERY (MSI) DEPICTS A SLOW CONSOLIDATION
OF DEEP CONVECTION AROUND A LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC). A
MOSAIC OF RECENT MICROWAVE IMAGERY SUGGESTS THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL
WEAK VORTICES ROTATING AROUND THE LLCC, WHICH MAY BE HAMPERING THE
LOW LEVEL DEVELOPMENT. THE INITIAL POSITION IS BASED ON A CENTROID
OF POSSIBLE CENTERS BASED ON THE AFOREMENTIONED MSI AND MICROWAVE
IMAGERY, AND REPRESENTS A RELOCATION OF APPROXIMATELY 50 NM FROM THE
PRIOR FORECAST POSITION. A 080605Z SSMIS 37 GHZ IMAGE THAT ARRIVED
LATE IN THE FORECAST GENERATION SUGGESTS THE LLCC MAY BE SLIGHTLY
SOUTHWESTARD OF THIS POSITION. UPPER LEVEL ANALYSIS REVEALS THE
EASTERLY VERTICAL WIND SHEAR (VWS) HAS SLIGHTLY IMPROVED (NOW 15-20
KNOTS), WITH STRONG DIFFLUENCE AND GOOD POLEWARD OUTFLOW STILL IN
PLACE. THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS ASSESSED AT 30 KNOTS BASED ON DVORAK
ESTIMATES FROM ALL FIXING AGENCIES, AS WELL AS RECENT ASCAT DATA.
TD 05W IS SITUATED WITHIN A WEAK STEERING ENVIRONMENT AND HAS
TRACKED ERRATICALLY OVER THE PAST 12 HOURS. THE CURRENT MOTION IS
PARTIALLY AN ARTIFACT OF THE POOR CERTAINTY OF THE INITIAL POSITION,
AND NOT ENTIRELY REPRESENTATIVE OF STORM MOTION.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. NO CHANGE TO THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY SINCE THE PREVIOUS
PROGNOSTIC REASONING MESSAGE.
B. TD 05W IS FORECAST TO REMAIN IN THE WEAK STEERING ENVIRONMENT
THROUGH TAU 48 BUT IS FORECAST TO TRACK SLOWLY NORTHWESTWARD TOWARD
THE WEAKNESS IN THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE (STR). DYNAMIC GUIDANCE
VARIES WITH SOLUTIONS RANGING FROM NORTHWARD TO NORTHWESTWARD, AND
A LARGE SPREAD IN TRACK SPEEDS. SOME GUIDANCE SUGGESTS QUASI-
STATIONARY OR LOOPING MOTION OVER THE NEXT 48 HOURS. THE JTWC
FORECAST TRACK IS POSITIONED CLOSE TO THE MULTI-MODEL CONSENSUS AND
IS SLIGHTLY SLOWER THAN THE PREVIOUS FORECAST TAKING INTO ACCOUNT
THE SLOW TRACK SPEEDS INDICATED BY AN INCREASING NUMBER OF MODEL
SOLUTIONS. TD 05W SHOULD GRADUALLY INCREASE TO AN INTENSITY OF 40
KNOTS BY TAU 48 AS THE FOREWARD MOTION INCREASES AND THE SYSTEM
TRACKS INTO LOWER VWS.
C. IN THE EXTENDED TAUS, TD 05W IS EXPECTED TO TURN WEST-
NORTHWESTWARD AND ACCELERATE AS THE STR RE-BUILDS NORTH OF THE
SYSTEM. 05W SHOULD WEAKEN GRADUALLY AS IT TRACKS OVER THE
PHILIPPINES. DUE TO THE UNCERTAINTY IN THE INITIAL POSITION AS WELL
AS MAJOR TRACK AND TRACK SPEED DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE DYNAMIC
MODELS, THERE IS LOW CONFIDENCE IN THE JTWC TRACK FORECAST.//
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Re: WPAC: PEIPAH - Tropical Storm

#153 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:23 am

euro6208 wrote:
xtyphooncyclonex wrote:
euro6208 wrote:remains a depression and the cone of uncertainty for track stretches from luzon to mindanao! this system doesn't want to make up its mind!

Do I have to say this?

JTWC IS AN UNOFFICIAL AGENCY! Peipah is still officially a TS. Why do you disrespect JMA? You get either too bullish or always following an unofficial agency.


if unofficial, then why does it always bother you? :lol: ignore it or accept it! ...it's my prefered choice and we are a U.S territory and our local NWS office follows JT.

can't ignore ASCAT too...

Yes. I agree it being a tropical depression, but just don't be too braggy and just please, JMA WAS CHOSEN TO BE THE RSMC OF THE WPAC BY THE WMO OVER JTWC. THE STANDARD HERE IS 10 MIN. JMA HAS MORE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY. Meow would really get disappointed. :ggreen:

Honestly, though, this forum has in its rules to follow the OFFICIAL agencies or RSMC's of the respected basin. Like when I asked before about the storm number, you always replied in 1 minute. My country is 10 min, WMO RECOMMENDS 10 MIN.

That's not my point, about looking at the ASCAT as I know this is a tropical depression, though even lower at 25 knots....
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#154 Postby euro6208 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:33 am

xtyphooncyclonex wrote:Yes. I agree it being a tropical depression, but just don't be too braggy and just please, JMA WAS CHOSEN TO BE THE RSMC OF THE WPAC BY THE WMO OVER JTWC. THE STANDARD HERE IS 10 MIN. JMA HAS MORE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY. Meow would really get disappointed. :ggreen:

Honestly, though, this forum has in its rules to follow the OFFICIAL agencies or RSMC's of the respected basin. Like when I asked before about the storm number, you always replied in 1 minute. My country is 10 min, WMO RECOMMENDS 10 MIN.

That's not my point, about looking at the ASCAT as I know this is a tropical depression, though even lower at 25 knots....


Well standard in the U.S is 1 min. We are a U.S territory...

But do you see me complaining about who's unofficial or not? no, just accept it..

Yes we all know JMA is the official agency but JT uses 1 min that matters the most and most accustomed too over here and the western hemisphere...
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#155 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:42 am

euro6208 wrote:
xtyphooncyclonex wrote:Yes. I agree it being a tropical depression, but just don't be too braggy and just please, JMA WAS CHOSEN TO BE THE RSMC OF THE WPAC BY THE WMO OVER JTWC. THE STANDARD HERE IS 10 MIN. JMA HAS MORE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY. Meow would really get disappointed. :ggreen:

Honestly, though, this forum has in its rules to follow the OFFICIAL agencies or RSMC's of the respected basin. Like when I asked before about the storm number, you always replied in 1 minute. My country is 10 min, WMO RECOMMENDS 10 MIN.

That's not my point, about looking at the ASCAT as I know this is a tropical depression, though even lower at 25 knots....


Well standard in the U.S is 1 min. We are a U.S territory...

Well Asia and the rest of the West Pacific is a US territory? We are in a US territory?
The world standard is 10 min. We are not ANYMORE in the hands of USA! You should adjust to the standards of the dominating countries.
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Re: WPAC: PEIPAH - Tropical Storm

#156 Postby wxman57 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:46 am

ASCAT confirmed that as of about 12 hours ago there were no 35kt winds. JMA still has Peipah as a TS, but there's no evidence to support that intensity.

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#157 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:50 am

wxman57 wrote:ASCAT confirmed that as of about 12 hours ago there were no 35kt winds. JMA still has Peipah as a TS, but there's no evidence to support that intensity.

http://manati.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/asca ... Bds245.png

I also agree with you but JMA has a screwed Koba scale saying that this is a TS. In the forum, we follow the standard of the RSMC of the basin. I even think that the intensity is at 25 knots or below. I may have disagreed JMA, but it is in our rules that we follow the official agency. I suggest that they lower the intensity of this storm to TD status.
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Re: WPAC: PEIPAH - Tropical Storm

#158 Postby euro6208 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:51 am

xtyphooncyclonex wrote:
euro6208 wrote:
xtyphooncyclonex wrote:Yes. I agree it being a tropical depression, but just don't be too braggy and just please, JMA WAS CHOSEN TO BE THE RSMC OF THE WPAC BY THE WMO OVER JTWC. THE STANDARD HERE IS 10 MIN. JMA HAS MORE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY. Meow would really get disappointed. :ggreen:

Honestly, though, this forum has in its rules to follow the OFFICIAL agencies or RSMC's of the respected basin. Like when I asked before about the storm number, you always replied in 1 minute. My country is 10 min, WMO RECOMMENDS 10 MIN.

That's not my point, about looking at the ASCAT as I know this is a tropical depression, though even lower at 25 knots....


Well standard in the U.S is 1 min. We are a U.S territory...

Well Asia and the rest of the West Pacific is a US territory? We are in a US territory?
The world standard is 10 min. We are not ANYMORE in the hands of USA! You should adjust to the standards of the dominating countries.


LOL! do your research, Guam is a U.S Territory...

I didn't say the whole west pacific...

so we follow all noaa sites and the standard 1 min...

NWS Guam follows this...
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Re: WPAC: PEIPAH - Tropical Storm

#159 Postby euro6208 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:58 am

xtyphooncyclonex wrote:
wxman57 wrote:ASCAT confirmed that as of about 12 hours ago there were no 35kt winds. JMA still has Peipah as a TS, but there's no evidence to support that intensity.


I also agree with you but JMA has a screwed Koba scale saying that this is a TS. In the forum, we follow the standard of the RSMC of the basin. I even think that the intensity is at 25 knots or below. I may have disagreed JMA, but it is in our rules that we follow the official agency. I suggest that they lower the intensity of this storm to TD status.


there you go with ASCAT...

since i'm not familiar with it and many others in this forum, what exactly is a koba scale? is it equivalent to the dvorak scale that we use? what other data do they use to determine the strength of a TC?

I would love to learn more about this official agency JMA.
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Re: WPAC: PEIPAH - Tropical Storm

#160 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:58 am

Well standard in the U.S is 1 min. We are a U.S territory...[/quote]
Well Asia and the rest of the West Pacific is a US territory? We are in a US territory?
The world standard is 10 min. We are not ANYMORE in the hands of USA! You should adjust to the standards of the dominating countries.[/quote]

LOL! do your research, Guam is a U.S Territory...

I didn't say the whole west pacific...

so we follow all noaa sites and the standard 1 min...

NWS Guam follows this...[/quote]
Yes but Guam is not part of Asia. I know that Guam is part of the US territory. 26.8% of those there are Filipinos. Standards of US and Guam websites ONLY. Just dont argue with us as the rest of the world except India and US and its territories follow the 10 min standard. FRANCE, ITALY, UK, JAPAN, KOREA AND OTHER MORE.
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