ATL: GABRIELLE - Models

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#301 Postby northjaxpro » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:56 am

:uarrow: This is a scenario that can't be ruled out. The trough may leave Gabrielle behind in about 5 days. I will be curious on watching for trends in future model runs to see just how strong the ridge may get by the end of next 120 hours or so.
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Models

#302 Postby NDG » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:26 am

Lol, 0z ECMWF develops the TW NE of Gabrielle and quickly shoots it out to sea but shows Gabrielle to die out some tonight over eastern Hispaniola and remain weak eventually reaching the Carolinas. More mind bugling model output to the puzzle, lol
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Models

#303 Postby ronjon » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:45 am

Yeah models having a tough time down the road with Gabby. Latest 06z GFS splits off the vorticity and moves it west toward Georgia-JAX in 4-5 days.
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#304 Postby ninel conde » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:33 am

with another trof forecast next week most likely it will be very weak and sheared if it heads west.
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#305 Postby gatorcane » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:14 am

Looks like the GFS continues to build a strong Western Atlantic ridge in the wake of the current trough. By days 4 and 5 you can see it here stretching across the Western Atlantic into the Eastern part of the United States. So if Gabrielle hangs around long enough and the current trough doesn't get her, it may get interesting...

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#306 Postby gatorcane » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:24 am

06Z GFS Ensembles..some more ensembles than yesterday thinking it goes west:

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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Models

#307 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:44 am

Any model that has the 2 vortmax idea will probably win out in the end as it looks like the surface low is heading for Hispaniola while it looks like the MLC with convection is heading towards the north. Does anyone think the models will bring back the 2 vortex idea

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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Models

#308 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:00 am

The euro never dropped the idea, but it now kicks the second vorticity north in 24 hours.

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/ecmwf-opertc2.cgi?time=2013090500&field=850mb+Vorticity&hour=Animation

The latest GFS run shows the vorticity moving up over PR, with a strong second vorticity at hour 0 fading fast.

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2013090506/gfs_vort850_uv200_atltropics.html
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Models

#309 Postby N2FSU » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:49 am

12Z GFS rolling in. Here is 24hr:

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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Models

#310 Postby N2FSU » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:50 am

12Z GFS; 48hr:

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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Models

#311 Postby Blown Away » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:52 am

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The westward models kept Gabby shallow, so we will have to see if the naked LLC moving towards Hispaniola can survive and regenerate once north of the Caribbean...Once north of the Caribbean, what's left of Gabby's LLC will linger around for days and I suspect all the energy over/east of PR will get sucked out to sea...
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#312 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:57 am

Appears the GFS is back on a recurve have to wait for the next few frames though..
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Models

#313 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:14 am

12Z GFS 9 hour vorticity. This looks more plausible.

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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Models

#314 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:16 am

At 129 hours it's just a stretched out mess.

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At 144 it's better defined and moving north west.
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#315 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:24 am

you can see the large break that initially picks it up then it fills in but by that time its to high in latitude a short wave trough swings in and breaks the ridge down. this different than the last few run in that it never gains i enough latitude to be picked up by the second trough... of course all this assuming it survives at all.

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2013090512/gfs_z500_mslp_atltropics.html
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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Models

#316 Postby Orlando_wx » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:00 pm

SouthFLTropics wrote:That GFS run is eerily starting to remind me of Jeanne. Pulled north by a trough only to get left behind...Cyclonic loop and then west into FLA.

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JB mentioned something to this effect last night on twitter.
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#317 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:06 pm

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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Models

#318 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:42 pm

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Re: ATL: GABRIELLE - Models

#319 Postby CalmBeforeStorm » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:01 pm

tolakram wrote:I don't understand the 12Z Euro.

Vorticity: http://www.meteo.psu.edu/ewall/ECMWFTROPATL0.5_12z/ecmwfloop.html


Seems to me that it develops the eastern feature and moves it NW and then NE out to sea while totallly disapating Gabrielle. I find it interesting that it builds a ridge back in past 4 days.
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#320 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:05 pm

given that she might be back... it is note worthy that the models are swinging back to more ridging.. the GFS loses her but brings the vort into NC the cmc way left.. no recurve until after nova scotia

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/cmctc2.c ... =Animation
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