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Re: WPAC: FRANCISCO - Typhoon

#161 Postby Grifforzer » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:09 pm

JMA forecast Francisco to have Dvorak intensity of at least 7.5 in 24 hours.

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** WTPQ20 RJTD 190000 ***
RSMC TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVISORY
NAME TY 1327 FRANCISCO (1327)
ANALYSIS
PSTN 190000UTC 16.2N 140.4E GOOD
MOVE WNW 08KT
PRES 920HPA
MXWD 105KT
GUST 150KT
50KT 60NM
30KT 180NM NORTH 150NM SOUTH
FORECAST
24HF 200000UTC 18.3N 137.8E 70NM 70%
MOVE NW 08KT
PRES 910HPA
MXWD 115KT
GUST 165KT
48HF 210000UTC 20.6N 136.1E 110NM 70%
MOVE NNW 08KT
PRES 915HPA
MXWD 105KT
GUST 150KT
72HF 220000UTC 23.6N 134.6E 160NM 70%
MOVE NNW 08KT
PRES 930HPA
MXWD 100KT
GUST 140KT =
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#162 Postby stormkite » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:15 pm

139/ 134 E 16/18N Imo is where francisco will peek.







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Re: WPAC: FRANCISCO - Typhoon

#163 Postby hurricanes1234 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:23 pm

I'd have to agree on this a bit. Of course to all of you, I am not saying that it has peaked, but sometimes, when there is no change in intensity like this during a strengthening streak, the storm has peaked. To you all viewing this, it is just a thought, and I reiterate that I am not jumping to conclusions or making random opinions. Again, I am not saying that Francisco has peaked.
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Re: WPAC: FRANCISCO - Typhoon

#164 Postby hurricanes1234 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:47 pm

Latest. Convective canopy shrank a little, in my opinion. Still very powerful though. :eek:

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#165 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:54 pm

stormkite wrote:139/ 134 E 16/18N Imo is where francisco will peek.







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It is spelled as PEAK not PEEK. PEEK means to glimpse while PEAK means the highest point, which we should use.
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Re: WPAC: FRANCISCO - Typhoon

#166 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:55 pm

hurricanes1234 wrote:Latest. Convective canopy shrank a little, in my opinion. Still very powerful though. :eek:

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That's one impressive storm.
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#167 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:56 pm

215 km/h forecast by JMA (10-min) - same situation with NIDA - means it is 280 km/h in 1-min winds
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#168 Postby hurricanes1234 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:53 pm

xtyphooncyclonex wrote:
stormkite wrote:139/ 134 E 16/18N Imo is where francisco will peek.

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It is spelled as PEAK not PEEK. PEEK means to glimpse while PEAK means the highest point, which we should use.



Stormkite, don't feel bad. It's normal for us to misspell things from time to time. :)
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#169 Postby stormkite » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:57 pm

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Cool water ahead much better result for Japan if the storm follow's current models.
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Re: WPAC: FRANCISCO - Typhoon

#170 Postby hurricanes1234 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:06 pm

Incipient eyewall replacement cycle. Intensity stays at 135 knots. Look at that lovely outflow. :)

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Re: WPAC: FRANCISCO - Typhoon

#171 Postby euro6208 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:54 pm

i am in AWE of this majestic storm...

it's impossible to estimate the intensity at this point...

background pressure in the basin at this time of year is really low so i wouldn't be surprised if francisco is below -885mb at this point....
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Re: WPAC: FRANCISCO - Typhoon

#172 Postby euro6208 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:56 pm

Super Typhoon Francisco...

WDPN33 PGTW 190300
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR SUPER TYPHOON 26W (FRANCISCO) WARNING
NR 13//
RMKS//
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
SUPER TYPHOON 26W (FRANCISCO), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 936 NM
SOUTHEAST OF KADENA AB, HAS TRACKED WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 07
KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS. ANIMATED MULTISPECTRAL SATELLITE
IMAGERY (MSI) DEPICTS A HIGHLY SYMMETRICAL EYE FEATURE SURROUNDED BY
AN EXTENSIVE DEEP CONVECTIVE EYEWALL AND A STRONG FEEDER BAND
TIGHTLY WRAPPING ACROSS THE WESTERN PERIPHERY OF THE SYSTEM AND INTO
THE STORM CENTER. AN 182238Z SSMIS MICROWAVE IMAGE REVEALS THE
SYSTEM HAS MAINTAINED EXTENSIVE DEEP CONVECTION WITHIN THE EYEWALL
AND THE MAIN FEEDER BAND. HOWEVER, THE IMAGE DOES INDICATE THE
SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF THE EYEWALL APPEARS TO HAVE SLIGHTLY WEAKENED
AND MAY BE A PRELUDE TO THE BEGINNING OF AN EYEWALL REPLACEMENT
CYCLE (ERC). THE CURRENT POSITION IS BASED ON THE MSI AND THE
AFOREMENTIONED MICROWAVE IMAGE WITH HIGH CONFIDENCE. THE CURRENT
INTENSITY HAS BEEN MAINTAINED AT 135 KNOTS BASED ON CONGRUENT DVORAK
ESTIMATES FROM PGTW AND KNES AS WELL AS A 134 KNOT CIMSS SATCON
ESTIMATE. UPPER-LEVEL ANALYSIS INDICATES A POINT SOURCE ANTICYCLONE
REMAINS OVER THE SYSTEM, PROVIDING AMPLE RADIAL OUTFLOW AND LOW (05-
10 KNOTS) VERTICAL WIND SHEAR (VWS). THE 14 NM EYE REMAINS CLOUD-
FREE AND HAS MAINTAINED A FAIRLY SYMMETRIC ORIENTATION AS THE SYSTEM
TRACKS GENERALLY TO THE NORTHWEST UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE
SUBTROPICAL RIDGE (STR) EXTENSION.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. NO CHANGE TO THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY SINCE THE PREVIOUS
PROGNOSTIC REASONING.
B. THROUGH TAU 72, STY 26W IS EXPECTED TO SLOWLY TRACK
NORTHWESTWARD UNDER THE STEERING INFLUENCE OF THE STR LOCATED WELL
TO THE NORTH OF GUAM. FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS OF LOW VWS,
WARM SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES (SSTS), AND AMPLE OUTFLOW WILL ALLOW
STY 26W TO INTENSIFY TO A MAXIMUM OF 140 KNOTS BY TAU 12. ALONG THE
FORECAST TRACK, ERCS HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BRIEFLY WEAKEN THE SYSTEM
AS AN EXPANDED EYEWALL REPLACES THE SMALLER INNER EYEWALL. THIS IS
USUALLY FOLLOWED BY A SLIGHT RE-INTENSIFICATION AS THE NEW OUTER
EYEWALL CONSOLIDATES. AFTER TAU 24, THE SYSTEM WILL START TO MOVE
INTO LESS FAVORABLE SSTS, WHICH WILL IMPACT THE LOW LEVEL INFLOW,
CAUSING A SLOW WEAKENING TREND TO BEGIN AND PERSIST THROUGH TAU 72.
HOWEVER, AS THE SYSTEM CONTINUES FURTHER TO THE NORTH, A STRONG
POLEWARD OUTFLOW CHANNEL MAY DEVELOP WHICH COULD HELP TO OFFSET THE
COOLER SSTS AND MAINTAIN HIGHER INTENSITIES.
C. AFTER TAU 72, STY 26W WILL BEGIN TO ROUND THE WESTERN
PERIPHERY OF THE STR, ALLOWING FOR A MORE NORTH-NORTHWESTWARD TRACK.
A DECREASE IN SSTS AND AN INCREASE IN VWS WILL AMPLIFY THE WEAKENING
TREND THROUGH TAU 120 WHEN THE SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN EXTRA-
TROPICAL TRANSITION. NUMERIC MODEL GUIDANCE REMAINS WIDELY DIVERGENT
IN THE EXTENDED TAUS, DUE TO VARYING SOLUTIONS TO THE ORIENTATION OF
THE STR AS A SERIES OF MID-LATITUDE TROUGHS PROGRESS TO THE NORTH.
ALL OBJECTIVE AIDS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GFDN, ARE BEGINNING TO
INDICATE A RECURVE SCENARIO, BUT WIDELY VARY IN POSITION AND TRACK
SPEED OF THE SYSTEM. MODEL ENSEMBLES ALSO CONTINUE TO INDICATE A
WIDE RANGE OF SOLUTIONS IN ENSEMBLE MEMBERS, LEAVING CONSIDERABLE
UNCERTAINTY IN THE FORECAST TRACK AFTER TAU 72. THE CURRENT FORECAST
REMAINS CLOSE TO THE MULTI-MODEL CONSENSUS AND IS HEDGED TOWARD THE
ECMWF SOLUTION. DUE TO THE WEAKLY DEFINED STR EXTENSION, AND THE
HIGH UNCERTAINTY IN THE EXTENDED TAUS, THE CONFIDENCE IN THE
FORECAST REMAINS LOW.//
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#173 Postby euro6208 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:48 pm

stormkite wrote:xtyphooncyclonex

What i understand is 134 sustained with 165 wind gusts is a c5 strength storm what part of that statement did you not understand. ?

BTW came across this link tonight http://www.westernpacificweather.com/20 ... t-5-storm/



stormkite, you must be from australia but that is a category 4 strength storm...

Australia has a different scale in that they rate their storms based on gust so a storm with 123–129 knots (142–148 mph; 228–239 km/h) sustained 1 min category 4 is already considered a category 5 in your area...
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#174 Postby TropicalAnalystwx13 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:55 pm

Dry air has tampered with the symmetry of the storm...it looks quite a bit worse than it did earlier.

It still looks like a high-end Category 4 equivalent though.
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#175 Postby stormkite » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:24 am

euro6208 wrote:
stormkite wrote:xtyphooncyclonex

What i understand is 134 sustained with 165 wind gusts is a c5 strength storm what part of that statement did you not understand. ?

BTW came across this link tonight http://www.westernpacificweather.com/20 ... t-5-storm/



stormkite, you must be from australia but that is a category 4 strength storm...

Australia has a different scale in that they rate their storms based on gust so a storm with 123–129 knots (142–148 mph; 228–239 km/h) sustained 1 min category 4 is already considered a category 5 in your area...



You got it m8 yes I'am Aussie.
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Re: WPAC: FRANCISCO - Typhoon

#176 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:43 am

euro6208 wrote:i am in AWE of this majestic storm...

it's impossible to estimate the intensity at this point...

background pressure in the basin at this time of year is really low so i wouldn't be surprised if francisco is below -885mb at this point....

I agree the pressure is somewhere around 900 mb but that is too much!!! :eek:
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#177 Postby stormkite » Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:12 am

Think i will stick to Aussie storm forums no misunderstanding in communication.


Hooroo.
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Re: WPAC: FRANCISCO - Typhoon

#178 Postby euro6208 » Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:47 am

26W FRANCISCO 131019 0600 16.7N 139.7E WPAC 140 918

Upgraded to a category 5 Super Typhoon...

more than 12 hours late but oh well...

we need recon! :grr:
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#179 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:14 am

Wonder why it isn't called typhoon. Anyways, 145 kts is forecast and winds are 140 kts!

WTPN33 PGTW 190900
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING//
RMKS/
1. TYPHOON 26W (FRANCISCO) WARNING NR 014
01 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONE IN NORTHWESTPAC
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
---
WARNING POSITION:
190600Z --- NEAR 16.7N 139.7E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 305 DEGREES AT 08 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 010 NM
POSITION BASED ON EYE FIXED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 140 KT, GUSTS 170 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 055 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
055 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 090 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
095 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
085 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
085 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 140 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
145 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
135 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
130 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
REPEAT POSIT: 16.7N 139.7E
---
FORECASTS:
12 HRS, VALID AT:
191800Z --- 17.8N 138.4E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 145 KT, GUSTS 175 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 050 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 085 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
085 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
080 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
080 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 135 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
130 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
125 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 320 DEG/ 08 KTS
---
24 HRS, VALID AT:
200600Z --- 19.1N 137.3E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 140 KT, GUSTS 170 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 050 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 080 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
085 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
080 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 135 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
130 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
130 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 325 DEG/ 07 KTS
---
36 HRS, VALID AT:
201800Z --- 20.3N 136.4E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 135 KT, GUSTS 165 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 080 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
080 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
075 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 140 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
130 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
135 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 330 DEG/ 08 KTS
---
EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
48 HRS, VALID AT:
210600Z --- 21.7N 135.6E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 130 KT, GUSTS 160 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 080 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
080 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
075 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 140 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
135 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
135 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 335 DEG/ 08 KTS
---
72 HRS, VALID AT:
220600Z --- 24.4N 134.1E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 115 KT, GUSTS 140 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 075 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
075 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 145 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
135 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
140 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 96 HR POSIT: 340 DEG/ 07 KTS
---
LONG RANGE OUTLOOK:
---
96 HRS, VALID AT:
230600Z --- 27.0N 133.1E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 100 KT, GUSTS 125 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
VECTOR TO 120 HR POSIT: 010 DEG/ 07 KTS
---
120 HRS, VALID AT:
240600Z --- 29.8N 133.6E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 085 KT, GUSTS 105 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
---
REMARKS:
190900Z POSITION NEAR 17.0N 139.4E.
TYPHOON 26W (FRANCISCO), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 494 NM SOUTH OF IWO
TO, JAPAN, HAS TRACKED NORTHWESTWARD AT 08 KNOTS OVER THE PAST
SIX HOURS. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT AT 190600Z IS 52 FEET.
NEXT WARNINGS AT 191500Z, 192100Z, 200300Z AND 200900Z. //
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#180 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:19 am

stormkite wrote:Think i will stick to Aussie storm forums no misunderstanding in communication.


Hooroo.

So sorry for having a fight... It was just a misunderstanding.

I did not know you are an Aussie and use different scale..
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