ATL: MATTHEW - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1161 Postby GCANE » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:06 am

ULL at about 20N 40W creating the poleward outflow channel.
It is forecast to get closer in the next 48 hrs.

http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/SAT_ATL/atlanimwv.html

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~ovens/ ... nhanced+24
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1162 Postby GCANE » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:12 am

GCANE wrote:ULL at about 20N 40W creating the poleward outflow channel.
It is forecast to get closer in the next 48 hrs.

http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/SAT_ATL/atlanimwv.html

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~ovens/ ... nhanced+24


I think it is worth noting that if we see a lot of popup thuderstorms across Florida today and western Cuba this afternoon, it would very likely help to erode the effects of the trough (increase heights) and may make a change in the forecasted track of Matthew.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1163 Postby jlauderdal » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:28 am

Remember NHC track error at 5 days is 240 miles and they are damn good at track and getting better each year,,,we are looking at these runs well beyond 5 days..it may well go up through the Bahamas but the error rate is large this far out..hopefully it takes an east route


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GFS slower and southwest of 23 hours ago in its front 5 days! new run vs 24 hours ago https://t.co/k4fXboiLas

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GFS a day slower to Cuba from yesterday. Great illustration of how land weakens strong hurricane goes in 935 mb com… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/781438174618759168
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1164 Postby USTropics » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:41 am

Pretty good pass from about 2 hours ago. It does indeed look like the LLC has run out in front of the convection:

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1165 Postby SouthDadeFish » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:42 am

It looks like the center is partially exposed on the SW side of the convective mass. Recently, a new convective burst has fired to the NE of the center and appears to be expanding SW, toward the TC center. This is clearly a sheared TC.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1166 Postby wxman57 » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:48 am

It's tracking north of where it looked like it might yesterday, closer to the GFS forecast.This lessens the chance of a prolonged stall near the coast of Venezuala (and possibly Gulf threat). It also lessens the threat to Florida. Could be an East Coast threat (Carolinas-northward), though.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1167 Postby Ken711 » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:24 am

wxman57 wrote:It's tracking north of where it looked like it might yesterday, closer to the GFS forecast.This lessens the chance of a prolonged stall near the coast of Venezuala (and possibly Gulf threat). It also lessens the threat to Florida. Could be an East Coast threat (Carolinas-northward), though.


I've had this feeling (NC/VA) since the beginning. Hope it eventually tracks out to sea.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1168 Postby cycloneye » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:33 am

Plane found 80kt winds uncontaminated.

080 050 001 00
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1169 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:34 am

I wouldn't be too surprised if Matthew's LLC became exposed briefly later today due to wind shear and some dry air intrusion. The anticyclone has become completely displaced to the south and is actually shearing Matthew.

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1170 Postby cycloneye » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:40 am

cycloneye wrote:Plane found 80kt winds uncontaminated.

080 050 001 00


Pressure is down to 995 mbs.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1171 Postby GCANE » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:45 am

West side getting whacked pretty good by the ULL at 25N 72W
Looks like it is filling in though and should relax the shear somewhat later this afternoon.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/floater ... -long.html

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/watl/wv-animated.gif
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1172 Postby ThetaE » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:47 am

cycloneye wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Plane found 80kt winds uncontaminated.

080 050 001 00


Pressure is down to 995 mbs.


Not to mention those winds were found in the convection-less NW quadrant. Wouldn't be surprised if they find hurricane-force surface winds.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1173 Postby NotoSans » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:48 am

Recon seems to have found a hurricane. 80-kt flight level winds and 64-kt SFMR winds support an initial intensity of 65 kt.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1174 Postby cycloneye » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:49 am

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1175 Postby cycloneye » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:51 am

...HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT FINDS MATTHEW A LITTLE STRONGER...


SUMMARY OF 800 AM AST...1200 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...14.1N 65.5W
ABOUT 300 MI...480 KM S OF SAN JUAN PUERTO RICO
ABOUT 265 MI...430 KM ENE OF CURACAO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...70 MPH...110 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 275 DEGREES AT 13 MPH...20 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...995 MB...29.38 INCHES
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1176 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:52 am

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1177 Postby ThetaE » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:57 am

NotoSans wrote:Recon seems to have found a hurricane. 80-kt flight level winds and 64-kt SFMR winds support an initial intensity of 65 kt.


Perhaps this belongs in the Recon Discussion thread, but since all the talk is happening over here...

Not quite; those are 10-second winds, but hurricane-force requires 1-minute sustained winds of at least 64 kts. Data from this quadrant supports a 60 kt TS.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1178 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:59 am

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1179 Postby northjaxpro » Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:14 am

Looking at the visible image, it appears that the COC is partially exposed on the SW edge. Cirrus blowoff covers over the circulation somewhat. SW shear definitely being impacted on the cyclone at this time.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1180 Postby tolakram » Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:27 am

euro6208 wrote:WIsh we had more Non-U.S members aka caribbean/Mexico posting in here and in future storms, seems like the U.S is the only country that matters in the Atlantic and sharing their views.


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