ATL: FIONA - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#301 Postby Blown Away » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:14 pm

LarryWx wrote:
gatorcane wrote::uarrow: not to mention that 1992 is a year many of us identified as a possible analog year. That said there is absolutely no evidence I can see with the model runs so far that this could pull an Andrew but at the same time, we are still a few days too far out with the model runs to have more confidence. The models are hinting at troughing along the Eastern Seaboard of the U.S. in a week's time which would be good news.


As I see it, IF there really is going to be troughing along the CONUS eastern seaboard in a week's time as the models are hinting, that would be good news and would mean an easy recurve east of the Conus. However, a week's time on the models means that the troughing is not yet set in stone. So, I''m not yet completely writing this off for the eastern seaboard keeping the 1906 storm, Esther of 1961, and Fred of 2009 in mind even though the odds are very low in my mind.


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Re: ATL: SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#302 Postby Nimbus » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:18 pm

There is still a lot of dry air being pulled into the outer circulation.
The new CDO might just be a diurnal max event.
Looks like the LLC would like to make a run out from under there.
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Re: ATL: SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#303 Postby Caneman12 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:25 pm

AL, 06, 2016081718, , BEST, 0, 147N, 372W, 35, 1006, TS, FIONA
We have Fiona or had her for 25 minutes now
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Re: ATL: SIX - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#304 Postby wxman57 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:38 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:
wxman57 wrote:JB's track looks pretty good to me - a good match to the GFS/EC/CMC ensembles. However, Fiona (to-be) is forecast to be a depression or a remnant low by the time it crosses north of 20N.

Do you think Fiona could find better UL conditions in the Western Atlantic?


I wouldn't absolutely rule that out, but it's not looking too likely at this time. It rounds the ridge axis once it passes about 60W, allowing for a recurve east of Bermuda.
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Re: ATL: FIONA - Advisories

#305 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:42 pm

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TROPICAL STORM FIONA ADVISORY NUMBER 4
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL062016
500 PM AST WED AUG 17 2016

...DEPRESSION STRENGTHENS INTO SIXTH NAMED STORM OF THE SEASON OVER
THE CENTRAL TROPICAL ATLANTIC......


SUMMARY OF 500 PM AST...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...15.1N 37.8W
ABOUT 920 MI...1480 KM W OF THE CABO VERDE ISLANDS
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 305 DEGREES AT 16 MPH...26 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1006 MB...29.71 INCHES


TROPICAL STORM FIONA DISCUSSION NUMBER 4
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL062016
500 PM AST WED AUG 17 2016

During the past 6 hours, the tropical cyclone has made a transition
from a large outer banding pattern to more of a CDO-type feature.
Also, a 1635Z SSMI overpass confirmed the tight inner-core structure
noted in the two earlier ASCAT passes. Dvorak satellite intensity
estimates are T2.5/35 kt from TAFB and SAB, and a 1225Z ASCAT-A
overpass indicated winds of near 35 kt at that time. Based on these
data, the initial intensity is increased to 35 kt and the cyclone is
upgraded to Tropical Storm Fiona.

The initial motion estimate is 305/14 kt. The latest model guidance
has come into much better agreement with the previous track
forecast, with the GFS model shifting a little farther south and the
ECMWF making a significant shift to the north due to that model not
weakening Fiona as much now as compared to previous forecast cycles.
These model changes have resulted in a northward shift in the
consensus models TVCN and GFEX. Given the much better agreement in
the NHC model guidance, the new track forecast was only shifted
slightly southward of the previous advisory track after 72 hours in
order to move closer to the consensus models.

There are no significant changes to the previous intensity forecast.
Fiona is a compact tropical cyclone with a radius of maximum winds
of 15 nmi or less, which makes the storm susceptible to sharp
fluctuations in intensity. The aforementioned SSMI satellite pass
also indicated that the small inner-core region of Fiona now appears
to be insulated from the very dry mid-level air that had earlier
eroded the cyclone's convection. That, along with low shear
conditions and marginal SSTs near 27C, should allow for some gradual
strengthening for the next 36-48 hours, assuming that the cyclone
can mix out any occasional intrusions of dry air. By 72 hours, the
vertical shear is forecast to increase to around 20 kt from the
southwest, which should act to arrest the intensification process
and perhaps even induce some slight weakening. However, by 96 hours
and beyond, the shear is forecast to steadily decrease when the
cyclone will be moving over SSTs greater than 28C. These conditions
could allow for the compact cyclone to maintain a steady intensity
despite being embedded in mid-level humidity values of near 50
percent. The official intensity forecast is similar to the previous
advisory and closely follows the intensity consensus model IVCN
through 48 hours, and then lies just below the Decay-SHIPS model at
72-120 hours.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 17/2100Z 15.1N 37.8W 35 KT 40 MPH
12H 18/0600Z 16.0N 39.0W 40 KT 45 MPH
24H 18/1800Z 17.0N 40.6W 45 KT 50 MPH
36H 19/0600Z 17.8N 42.1W 50 KT 60 MPH
48H 19/1800Z 18.7N 43.8W 50 KT 60 MPH
72H 20/1800Z 20.3N 47.4W 45 KT 50 MPH
96H 21/1800Z 22.6N 51.3W 45 KT 50 MPH
120H 22/1800Z 24.6N 55.0W 45 KT 50 MPH

$$
Forecaster Stewart

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Re: ATL: FIONA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#306 Postby Kazmit » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:48 pm

Fiona is born! :lol:. Now the question is, what will she do?
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Re: ATL: FIONA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#307 Postby USTropics » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:53 pm

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The initial motion estimate is 305/14 kt. The latest model guidance
has come into much better agreement with the previous track
forecast, with the GFS model shifting a little farther south and the
ECMWF making a significant shift to the north due to that model not
weakening Fiona as much now as compared to previous forecast cycles.
These model changes have resulted in a northward shift in the
consensus models TVCN and GFEX. Given the much better agreement in
the NHC model guidance, the new track forecast was only shifted
slightly southward of the previous advisory track after 72 hours in
order to move closer to the consensus models.
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Re: ATL: FIONA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#308 Postby Kazmit » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:59 pm

It's a very small storm, TS winds only extend 15nm or less (according to the NHC).
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Re: ATL: FIONA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#309 Postby SeGaBob » Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:17 pm

Kazmit_ wrote:Fiona is born! :lol:. Now the question is, what will she do?


No question about it to me...recurve.
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Re: ATL: FIONA - Models

#310 Postby SeGaBob » Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:20 pm

I'm betting on well east of Bermuda. That's what most storms do.
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Re: ATL: FIONA - Models

#311 Postby LarryWx » Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:31 pm

SeGaBob wrote:I'm betting on well east of Bermuda. That's what most storms do.


That is probably the safest bet for a storm moving NW that far out in the Atlantic. So, that's the bet I'd take, too, if I were a betting man even though I'm not 100% sold on this this early since there is a small chance that the model consensus for troughing off the east coast of the CONUS is off.
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Re: ATL: FIONA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#312 Postby gatorcane » Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:31 pm

wow convection is literally collapsing the past couple of hours...the SAL monster is rearing its ugly head! Also looks to be really gaining latitude even with it so shallow.

http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis ... display=12
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Re: ATL: FIONA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#313 Postby Hammy » Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:56 pm

gatorcane wrote:wow convection is literally collapsing the past couple of hours...the SAL monster is rearing its ugly head! Also looks to be really gaining latitude even with it so shallow.

http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis ... display=12


Looks like there could be some easterly shear producing sinking air to the east, which is getting sucked in.
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Re: ATL: FIONA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#314 Postby p1nheadlarry » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:45 pm

Hammy wrote:
gatorcane wrote:wow convection is literally collapsing the past couple of hours...the SAL monster is rearing its ugly head! Also looks to be really gaining latitude even with it so shallow.

http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis ... display=12


Looks like there could be some easterly shear producing sinking air to the east, which is getting sucked in.


Dry air, coming into the circulation from the N/NW

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Re: ATL: FIONA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#315 Postby northjaxpro » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:49 pm

:uarrow: This sums it up in a nutshell. Dry air all around the cyclone and shear awaiting it as well. For me, does not look promising for Fiona at this time.
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Re: ATL: FIONA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#316 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:06 pm

And I thought we would have a robust-ACE-racking-hurricane recurving...

Fiona looks like a degenerating TD.
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Re: ATL: FIONA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#317 Postby p1nheadlarry » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:13 pm

Kingarabian wrote:And I thought we would have a robust-ACE-racking-hurricane recurving...

Fiona looks like a degenerating TD.


Next couple waves might have more promising conditions, not to mention ridging building back could keep them from encountering the SAL (which according to the NASA forecast is supposed to be little different than it is now, if not less intrusion). Gaston and maybe Hermine await. The waters towards the Greater Antilles and to the north of them are good spots for storm formation.
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Re: ATL: FIONA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#318 Postby gatorcane » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:39 pm

18Z MU does not show much coming from this
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Re: ATL: FIONA - Models

#319 Postby hurricanehunter69 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:40 pm

It's looking very apparent to me (while looking at water vapor loop ) that Fiona will have a persistent struggle to mix out the mid level dry air. I'm thinking the Euro should have stuck to it's guns in forecasting a more shallow storm and being steered more by the low level ridge. http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/flash-wv.html
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Re: ATL: FIONA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#320 Postby gatorcane » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:52 pm

Wow this is still a TS? :eek:

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