ATL: MATTHEW - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6041 Postby sbcc » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:54 pm

GeneratorPower wrote:Madpoodle, I am an electrical engineer and owner of a generator dealership in Southwest Florida. Been doing this 15 years. Your article has good points but in general is full of half truths and misinformation. Mods, maybe shift this to another thread.

Second this. My wife is an electrician. She says it is illegal in our state (Michigan) to pull your meter. Only the utility can remove/replace them. They put locking tabs on them here.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6042 Postby Aric Dunn » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:56 pm

halfway across. couple more hours and we have a uninhibited hurricane tracking towards Florida.. going to be a long few days.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6043 Postby fox13weather » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:56 pm

I bet ya this storm will end up being a lot like Floyd in 1999. Scare the daylight out of everyone on the east coast of Florida and then never make landfall in the state. Floyd was the third largest evacuation in US history.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6044 Postby Vdogg » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:59 pm

He may have taken a hit, but Matt appears to have resumed northward motion. Don't see anyway this doesn't restrengthen before a Florida.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6045 Postby ronyan » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:00 pm

fox13weather wrote:I bet ya this storm will end up being a lot like Floyd in 1999. Scare the daylight out of everyone on the east coast of Florida and then never make landfall in the state. Floyd was the third largest evacuation in US history.


I have thought of Floyd often when looking at this track. But I think it's very likely this will go farther West than Floyd did.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6046 Postby GeneratorPower » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:00 pm

sbcc wrote:
GeneratorPower wrote:Madpoodle, I am an electrical engineer and owner of a generator dealership in Southwest Florida. Been doing this 15 years. Your article has good points but in general is full of half truths and misinformation. Mods, maybe shift this to another thread.

Second this. My wife is an electrician. She says it is illegal in our state (Michigan) to pull your meter. Only the utility can remove/replace them. They put locking tabs on them here.


The power factor discussion was completely wrong, too. And some meters are what they call CT meters. Pulling one does nothing to stop electricity from flowing.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6047 Postby psyclone » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:01 pm

fox13weather wrote:I bet ya this storm will end up being a lot like Floyd in 1999. Scare the daylight out of everyone on the east coast of Florida and then never make landfall in the state. Floyd was the third largest evacuation in US history.


That may prove to be a very good analog. crushed the Bahamas but provided a great illustration of just how abrupt the cutoff is on the west side of even a monster cane. I remember a pleasant breezy day here in the bay area with 20-25mph winds and some fast passing showers. I think the cape had a gust to 80mph or so. All we need is a 50 mile east shift for a world of difference. there's ample time for that to happen. needless to say interesting times are ahead since such a small difference (completely unknowable at this point) means everything.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6048 Postby JaxGator » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:02 pm

fox13weather wrote:I bet ya this storm will end up being a lot like Floyd in 1999. Scare the daylight out of everyone on the east coast of Florida and then never make landfall in the state. Floyd was the third largest evacuation in US history.


At the same time though, it doesn't hurt being prepared. Floyd did cause coastal impacts in Florida and destroyed a few piers. If Matthew did (and the window is closing) be right off Florida's coast, the wind field would be big enough to cause a lot of impacts.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6049 Postby crimi481 » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:02 pm

If ridge over Bahama's strengthens, not impossible to have a Gulf storm scenario.

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6050 Postby floridasun78 » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:02 pm

fox13weather what you seen you think hurr watch will issue south to dade?
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6051 Postby SFLcane » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:04 pm

floridasun78 wrote:fox13weather what you seen you think hurr watch will issue south to dade?


"And" time table for TS Warnings for Dade county. Thx
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6052 Postby jasons2k » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:06 pm

Update from Jeff Lindner sent at 8:27PM tonight:

Matthew devastates Haiti…battering eastern Cuba…takes aim at the Bahamas

A Hurricane Watch is issued from Golden Beach FL to the Brevard/Volusia County line. This watch will likely need to be extended northward later this evening or early Thursday.

Dangerous hurricane event increasingly likely for FL and the SE US coast. Preparations for the impact of a major hurricane should be underway along the highly populated E FL coast.


Discussion:
Matthew struck SW Haiti this morning and is currently making landfall over eastern Cuba with sustained winds of 140mph. The hurricane has maintained a well defined eye per Guantanamo Bay radar today and the disruption of the inner core over Haiti was minimal. Matthew is starting to expand in size likely due to land interaction and an eyewall replacement cycle that completed just prior to landfall this morning. Hurricane force winds extend outward 45 miles from the center and tropical storm force winds 185 miles. The latest pressure by the USAF aircraft was 949mb

Track:
Track guidance has shift a little more to the west today and the threat of Matthew now striking a large portion of the east FL coast is real. Both the GFDL, ECMWF, and UKMET models now show a direct hit of the core of Matthew into the heavily populated barrier island that runs along much of the FL east coast from near West Palm Beach northward to near Jacksonville. The official NHC track has been shifted very close to the FL east coast and is close enough that the damaging core of Matthew may impact much of the coast. It should be clearly noted that since the hurricane will be moving nearly along or just offshore of the coast that a small deviation of only 10-15 miles could mean the difference between major hurricane conditions or weak hurricane conditions.

Matthew will then turn N to NNE as the high pressure that will induce the NW turn in the Bahamas shifts eastward and a trough approaches the hurricane from the NW. This track brings Matthew right along or just offshore of the entire SE US coast from EC FL to the NC Outer Banks with a possible landfall over SC/NC this weekend. The confidence in the track beyond Thursday evening is somewhat poor as the hurricane may in fact strike the FL coast and move slightly more westward than currently forecast…or more in line with the ECMWF model which would result in changes to the downstream track. Additionally some of the model guidance is showing a hard right (eastward) turn of the hurricane after striking or brushing FL which might spare the Carolinas…it is too soon to tell how close Matthew may come to that portion of the coast.

Intensity:
Matthew will likely weakening some tonight as the circulation interacts with Cuba and Haiti…but conditions are very favorable for intensification over the Bahamas and it is likely that the entire Bahamas island chain will feel the force of a major hurricane over the next 24-36 hours. Matthew if forecast to remain a major category 3 or higher hurricane as far north as the latitude of Jacksonville, FL with some weakening possible during the later period. Should Matthew directly strike the FL east coast then significant changes would be required at the longer ranges to show much more weakening than forecasted currently.

Impacts:
Matthew poses a potentially significant threat to the FL east coast and much of the SE US coast including GA and SC where strong hurricane hits are rare due to the concave shape of the coast….this is especially true around the Jacksonville, FL area. At this time hurricane conditions with sustained winds above 75mph are likely in the hurricane watch area and should Matthew shift slightly more to the west sustained winds of 100-115mph would rake the FL east from West Palm Beach northward to near Jacksonville including Cape Canaveral.

Storm surge flooding of 10-15 ft above the ground is likely across nearly all of the Bahamas Islands…which will be devastating. Storm surge flooding of 3-5 feet above ground level is possible along the FL east coast barrier island from West Palm Beach northward along with 10-15 foot waves which will likely breach and overtop dune protection and result in considerable damage to coastal structures.

FL Storm Surge Inundation Map from Matthew NHC Advisory # 27:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphic ... n#contents

A Storm Surge Watch is in effect for the FL east coast from north of West Palm Beach to north of Cape Canaveral.

Impacts are likely northward along the SE US coast especially in the SC/NC area…but it is too early to know the specifics.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6053 Postby TJRE » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:06 pm

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6054 Postby ScottNAtlanta » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:07 pm

Just about to hit critical mass when the discussion page number passes the model page number 303/322. Then you know people are paying close attention
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6055 Postby floridasun78 » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:09 pm

SFLcane wrote:
floridasun78 wrote:fox13weather what you seen you think hurr watch will issue south to dade?


"And" time table for TS Warnings for Dade county. Thx
Craig Setzer Meteorologist worry dade may get hurr wind if Matthew take more southern track
after leaving cuba
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6056 Postby Evenstar » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:11 pm

ScottNAtlanta wrote:Just about to hit critical mass when the discussion page number passes the model page number 303/322. Then you know people are paying close attention


I thought I felt a disturbance in The Force...
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6057 Postby floridasun78 » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:12 pm

ScottNAtlanta wrote:Just about to hit critical mass when the discussion page number passes the model page number 303/322. Then you know people are paying close attention

look we past Hermine discussion here on storm2k i was think that be record
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6058 Postby stephen23 » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:13 pm

From what Im seeing on radar it looks like the eye has faired pretty well with the track across Cuba. I don't think it will take long to clear out once back over water. Looks like it did better then the trip across Haiti. Already looks to be clearing out some
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6059 Postby GTStorm » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:14 pm

fox13weather wrote:I bet ya this storm will end up being a lot like Floyd in 1999. Scare the daylight out of everyone on the east coast of Florida and then never make landfall in the state. Floyd was the third largest evacuation in US history.


Hope you are correct (except ultimately for those in NC who were affected by Floyd)...just out of curiosity what is leading you towards that conclusion?
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#6060 Postby Madpoodle » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:14 pm

GeneratorPower wrote:Madpoodle, I am an electrical engineer and owner of a generator dealership in Southwest Florida. Been doing this 15 years. Your article has good points but in general is full of half truths and misinformation. Mods, maybe shift this to another thread.


Not an engineer, I am a field tech, mechanic and generator tech and salesman. I'm open to discussion, been doing this for 40 years and still learning. :flag:
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