ATL: IRMA - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1541 Postby Nimbus » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:47 pm

WeatherGuesser wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:
NDG wrote:
Nope.

Any idea on when we might know?


Next week.


The upper level steering pattern looks rather amplified, very deep trough over the gulf which you don't usually see. The forecast is taking into account a very strong hurricane which could pump up the ridge later as landfall/recurve nears.

Hoping the trough over the gulf continues to dig and at least holds its ground but as amplified as the upper air pattern is forecasting the relative trough strength against the ridging may be difficult for a while.


https://weather.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goeseasthurrwv.html
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1542 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:59 pm

Looks like another possible ERC starting..


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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1543 Postby Hurricane Andrew » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:02 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:Looks like another possible ERC starting..


https://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tcdat/tc17/ ... W.83pc.jpg

Now that its moving over warmer water and higher OHC, I believe that once EWRC #2 finishes, it will take off. NOT a pro forecast.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1544 Postby Blinhart » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:02 pm

Hurricane Andrew wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:Looks like another possible ERC starting..


https://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tcdat/tc17/ ... W.83pc.jpg

Now that its moving over warmer water and higher OHC, I believe that once EWRC #2 finishes, it will take off. NOT a pro forecast.


Is it #2 or #3, I thought she went through one early this morning.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1545 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:07 pm

no one knows if it went through a ERC overnight.. no decent microwaves images.

but one looks like its starting now.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1546 Postby NJWxHurricane » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:28 pm

does anyone have a link to satellite of irma in motion
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1547 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:34 pm

NJWxHurricane wrote:does anyone have a link to satellite of irma in motion


http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/flash-rgb.html
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1548 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:35 pm

Alyono,how you see things for Puerto Rico?
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1549 Postby WeatherGuesser » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:36 pm

Nimbus wrote:
WeatherGuesser wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:Any idea on when we might know?


Next week.


The upper level steering pattern looks rather amplified, very deep trough over the gulf which you don't usually see. The forecast is taking into account a very strong hurricane which could pump up the ridge later as landfall/recurve nears.

Hoping the trough over the gulf continues to dig and at least holds its ground but as amplified as the upper air pattern is forecasting the relative trough strength against the ridging may be difficult for a while.



I don't have even the slightest clue what any of that means. And I'm not asking. All I know is that by next week we'll know more about where it might be going.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1551 Postby GCANE » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:08 pm

Already a nice poleward outflow channel.
That ULL to the NE moving in is about to kick it up a notch or two.

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1552 Postby LarryWx » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:37 pm

I had been thinking of raising the chance in my mind at a CONUS landfall from 25%, but the 12Z Euro and especially the last 2 EPS are telling me to hold on for now.

Another thing to keep in mind is the recent bias of too strong of an eastern N.A. ridge and the opposite in the west for the GEFS...perhaps this means higher chance for recurve than what GEFS has been showing??

http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/fcst_e ... _bias.html
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1553 Postby Blinhart » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:38 pm

Maybe the ULL to the NW, but not the one to the NE, the one to the NE is way too far away to have any influence on her
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Recon Discussion Thread

#1554 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:38 pm

Kermit the P-3 Orion plane is flying to Barbados to begin the first mission on Sunday.

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1555 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:41 pm

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Hurricane Irma Advisory Number 14
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL112017
500 PM AST Sat Sep 02 2017

...IRMA MOVING SOUTH OF DUE WEST ACROSS THE CENTRAL TROPICAL
ATLANTIC...


SUMMARY OF 500 PM AST...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...18.5N 44.6W
ABOUT 1135 MI...1825 KM E OF THE LEEWARD ISLANDS
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...110 MPH...175 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 265 DEGREES AT 15 MPH...24 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...973 MB...28.74 INCHES
-------------------------------------------------------------------------



Hurricane Irma Discussion Number 14
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL112017
500 PM AST Sat Sep 02 2017

Hurricane Irma continues to display an eye within a small central
dense overcast, although the eye has been going through periods
where it becomes less well defined. The satellite intensity
estimates from TAFB and SAB remain 90 kt, while the latest CIMMS
ADT and satellite consensus technique estimates ARE 95-105 KT.
Since there has been little overall change in organization since
the last advisory, the initial intensity remains 95 kt.

The environment in which Irma is embedded continues to show mixed
signals during the forecast period, and the intensity guidance
responds to this by ranging between little and slow intensification.
The hurricane is currently suffering some impact of sea surface
temperatures of about 27C and mid-level dry air entrainment. Later
in the period, Irma should encounter warmer water and increasing
moisture at a time when the vertical wind shear may be increasing.
Given the uncertainty on when all of the ingredients may come
together, the new intensity forecast is the same as the previous
forecast and calls for gradual intensification through the next
5 days. An alternative forecast scenario is that Irma gets
significantly stronger than forecast near the end of the forecast
period if the shear is less than currently expected.

The initial motion remains 265/13. A large and building subtropical
ridge should steer Irma generally west-southwestward during the next
two days or so. Between 72-120 h, Irma should be rounding the
southwestern periphery of the ridge and start turning back toward
the west-northwest. While the track guidance remains in good
agreement with this scenario, from 72-120 h there has been a
westward shift of the guidance that results in the new forecast
track coming 30-60 n mi closer to the Leeward and Virgin Islands
than in the previous advisory. This latter portion of the track
lies near the center of the guidance envelope, but with the ECMWF
and corrected consensus models to the south and the GFS to the
north.

While Irma is currently a small hurricane, the size guidance
suggests it should grow in size during the next 72 h. This will
affect how soon watches may be issued for portions of the Leeward
and Virgin Islands.


KEY MESSAGES:

1. Irma is expected to be a major hurricane when it moves closer to
the Lesser Antilles early next week, producing rough surf and rip
currents. Irma could also cause dangerous wind, storm surge, and
rainfall impacts on some islands, although it is too soon to specify
where and when those hazards could occur. Residents in the Lesser
Antilles should monitor the progress of Irma through the weekend and
listen to any advice given by local officials.

2. It is much too early to determine what direct impacts Irma will
have on the Bahamas and the continental United States. Regardless,
everyone in hurricane-prone areas should ensure that they have their
hurricane plan in place, as we are now near the peak of the season.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 02/2100Z 18.5N 44.6W 95 KT 110 MPH
12H 03/0600Z 18.0N 46.5W 95 KT 110 MPH
24H 03/1800Z 17.4N 48.8W 100 KT 115 MPH
36H 04/0600Z 17.0N 50.9W 105 KT 120 MPH
48H 04/1800Z 16.8N 53.0W 110 KT 125 MPH
72H 05/1800Z 17.5N 57.5W 110 KT 125 MPH
96H 06/1800Z 19.5N 62.5W 115 KT 130 MPH
120H 07/1800Z 22.0N 68.0W 115 KT 130 MPH

$$
Forecaster Beven

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1556 Postby Blinhart » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:53 pm

I still expect him to slow down a little to around 12 MPH, until he gets near the Antilles on like Wednesday Night/Thursday Morning. I wouldn't be surprised when he starts to move due West or WNW he slows down even more to like 9-10 MPH
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1557 Postby GCANE » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:58 pm

Hmm, I wonder if this is going to be one of those that has the evil twin following it.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/floater ... -long.html
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1558 Postby GCANE » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:38 pm

I wonder if a EWRC was kicking off and the new outer wall, being on the NE side of the CoC, got caught up in the updraft of the poleward outflow channel thus kicking off a self-sustaining MCS.
If this is one of those twin systems, it'll be the third time I have seen it and the MCS is nearly always on the NE side.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1559 Postby GCANE » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:41 pm

That came up fast.

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1560 Postby tropicwatch » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:44 pm

Blinhart wrote:
GCANE wrote:Already a nice poleward outflow channel.
That ULL to the NE moving in is about to kick it up a notch or two.



Maybe the ULL to the NW, but not the one to the NE, the one to the NE is way too far away to have any influence on her


And there is a High in between the two. That is what is currently forcing it south of due west.
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