ATL: HARVEY - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1601 Postby CycloneGuru » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:42 pm

ConvergenceZone wrote:I think the fact that since this has ALREADY become a tropical storm, increases the likelihood that this will be a hurricane by landfall. I didn't think this would reach tropical storm status until late tomorrow morning


RI has begun
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1602 Postby Alyono » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:44 pm

CycloneGuru wrote:
ConvergenceZone wrote:I think the fact that since this has ALREADY become a tropical storm, increases the likelihood that this will be a hurricane by landfall. I didn't think this would reach tropical storm status until late tomorrow morning


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no, it has not. The structure is not yet right for rapid intensification to occur. Need that RMW to contract significantly first
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1603 Postby 1900hurricane » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:44 pm

Still much to be desired structurally.

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1604 Postby SouthDadeFish » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:45 pm

Looks to me like the center is reforming closer to the deep convective bursts. All that diabating heating is generating a ton of low-level vorticity. The 00Z HWRF seems to have accurately predicted this so far.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1605 Postby NDG » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:46 pm

Based on the NOAA recon, Harvey is on the move again, or at least the LLC has tugged closer to the convection on the norther quadrant.

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#1606 Postby hd44 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:48 pm

SouthDadeFish wrote:Looks to me like the center is reforming closer to the deep convective bursts. All that diabating heating is generating a ton of low-level vorticity. The 00Z HWRF seems to have accurately predicted this so far.

'Yes which is why the Ukmet may be right .
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1607 Postby wxmann_91 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:54 pm

It almost feels like shear has picked up a bit tonight. Harvey's structure looks more asymmetric than earlier in the day and you can see the movement of cirrus streamers to Harvey's southwest. The shear should decrease in the coming 24 hr but sometimes global models are a bit too quick to weaken ULL's and their shearing influences.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1608 Postby TexWx » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:55 pm

hd44 wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:Looks to me like the center is reforming closer to the deep convective bursts. All that diabating heating is generating a ton of low-level vorticity. The 00Z HWRF seems to have accurately predicted this so far.

'Yes which is why the Ukmet may be right .



Yep.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1609 Postby Thetxhurricanemaster » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:55 pm

hd44 wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:Looks to me like the center is reforming closer to the deep convective bursts. All that diabating heating is generating a ton of low-level vorticity. The 00Z HWRF seems to have accurately predicted this so far.

'Yes which is why the Ukmet may be right .

UKMET shifted west
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1610 Postby BRweather » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:56 pm

It really did not take long for the center to get under the convection. Every recon pass showing significant jump to north. Probably will resume slow northwest/north-northwest drift again soon.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1611 Postby mcheer23 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:58 pm

Thetxhurricanemaster wrote:
hd44 wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:Looks to me like the center is reforming closer to the deep convective bursts. All that diabating heating is generating a ton of low-level vorticity. The 00Z HWRF seems to have accurately predicted this so far.

'Yes which is why the Ukmet may be right .

UKMET shifted west


UKMET is still around matagorda bay.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1612 Postby hd44 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:58 pm

Thetxhurricanemaster wrote:
hd44 wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:Looks to me like the center is reforming closer to the deep convective bursts. All that diabating heating is generating a ton of low-level vorticity. The 00Z HWRF seems to have accurately predicted this so far.

'Yes which is why the Ukmet may be right .

UKMET shifted west


Its well east of the Gfs.
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1613 Postby 1900hurricane » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:06 am

Here's a SLIDER loop of Harvey from GOES-16's Mesoscale Window 2 of band 13 overlaid on band 7.

http://col.st/HqwT7
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1614 Postby KyleEverett » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:19 am

000
WTNT64 KNHC 240403
TCUAT4

Tropical Storm Harvey Tropical Cyclone Update
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL092017
1100 PM CDT Wed Aug 23 2017

...AIR FORCE PLANE FINDS TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS...

An Air Force Reserve hurricane hunter aircraft just measured
tropical storm force winds in Harvey. The maximum winds are
estimated to be 40 mph (65 km/h) with higher gusts.

SUMMARY OF 1100 PM CDT...0400 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...22.0N 92.6W
ABOUT 500 MI...810 KM SSE OF PORT OCONNOR TEXAS
ABOUT 440 MI...705 KM SE OF PORT MANSFIELD TEXAS
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 325 DEGREES AT 2 MPH...4 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1002 MB...29.59 INCHES

$$
Forecaster Avila/Zelinsky
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1615 Postby BRweather » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:22 am

Goodness.

That center has shot north considerably. Was not expecting that
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1616 Postby SoupBone » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:23 am

BRweather wrote:Goodness.

That center has shot north considerably. Was not expecting that


I don't see it, but maybe this is what Aric was talking about. He seems to believe that a first landfall in Louisiana is possible, missing Texas altogether (outside of bands).
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1617 Postby Thetxhurricanemaster » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:24 am

SoupBone wrote:
BRweather wrote:Goodness.

That center has shot north considerably. Was not expecting that


I don't see it, but maybe this is what Aric was talking about. He seems to believe that a first landfall in Louisiana is possible, missing Texas altogether (outside of bands).

The center never shifted north it'd a illusion this is heading for Texas
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1618 Postby Blinhart » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:25 am

KyleEverett wrote:000
WTNT64 KNHC 240403
TCUAT4

Tropical Storm Harvey Tropical Cyclone Update
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL092017
1100 PM CDT Wed Aug 23 2017

...AIR FORCE PLANE FINDS TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS...

An Air Force Reserve hurricane hunter aircraft just measured
tropical storm force winds in Harvey. The maximum winds are
estimated to be 40 mph (65 km/h) with higher gusts.

SUMMARY OF 1100 PM CDT...0400 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...22.0N 92.6W
ABOUT 500 MI...810 KM SSE OF PORT OCONNOR TEXAS
ABOUT 440 MI...705 KM SE OF PORT MANSFIELD TEXAS
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 325 DEGREES AT 2 MPH...4 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1002 MB...29.59 INCHES

$$
Forecaster Avila/Zelinsky


At that speed it would take almost 2 weeks to get to the coastline, so it definitely needs to speed up.

And it has basically gone due north.
Coordinates from this morning
INIT 23/1500Z 21.5N 92.5W 30 KT 35 MPH

Coordinates as of 10pm tonight
INIT 24/0300Z 21.9N 92.6W 30 KT 35 MPH
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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1619 Postby BRweather » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:27 am

Thetxhurricanemaster wrote:
SoupBone wrote:
BRweather wrote:Goodness.

That center has shot north considerably. Was not expecting that


I don't see it, but maybe this is what Aric was talking about. He seems to believe that a first landfall in Louisiana is possible, missing Texas altogether (outside of bands).

The center never shifted north it'd a illusion this is heading for Texas


I am looking at it on recon. It has definitely moved further north under the convection.

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Re: ATL: HARVEY - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1620 Postby 1900hurricane » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:28 am

Thetxhurricanemaster wrote:
SoupBone wrote:
BRweather wrote:Goodness.

That center has shot north considerably. Was not expecting that


I don't see it, but maybe this is what Aric was talking about. He seems to believe that a first landfall in Louisiana is possible, missing Texas altogether (outside of bands).

The center never shifted north it'd a illusion this is heading for Texas

I'm skeptical of a Louisiana solution, but the center has absolutely shifted north per recon data.

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