ATL: HARVEY - Post-Tropical - Discussion

[HurricaneBrain]

[Frank P]

The eye looks to be tracking just south of northwest based on the latest radar and satellite imagery.

Pretty much moving along the track at the moment it has to be said.

Anyway nice convective burst rotating around the eye from the west side at the moment, look for the next round of pressure falls coming up soon.

As we all know well these systems wobble, esp strong systems... it will pretty much average out to NW over time as forecasted by the models... wobbles become much more critical upon land impact, as you really want to be on the weak side of the storm...

[xironman]

You have to love the meso's swinging around the storm

[KWT]

INIT 24/2100Z 24.7N 93.9W 75 KT 85 MPH
12H 25/0600Z 25.5N 94.8W 95 KT 110 MPH
24H 25/1800Z 26.7N 96.0W 110 KT 125 MPH
36H 26/0600Z 27.8N 96.7W 105 KT 120 MPH
48H 26/1800Z 28.5N 97.1W 85 KT 100 MPH...INLAND
72H 27/1800Z 28.7N 97.2W 45 KT 50 MPH...INLAND
96H 28/1800Z 28.5N 96.5W 35 KT 40 MPH...INLAND
120H 29/1800Z 29.0N 95.0W 35 KT 40 MPH...OVER WATER

First forecast from the NHC of the system getting back into the gulf, looks like they are putting alot of faith in the ECM model at the moment.

Going to be interesting to see how that side of things goes, especially as conditions are still conducive if it does go back into the sea again as a much reduced system...

[ROCK]

man hope it goes inland far enough..NHC following the EURO...

[HurricaneRyan]

Shouldn't they have learned from MAtthew not to trust models that cause it to loop in a circle?

[Kingarabian]

man hope it goes inland far enough..NHC following the EURO...

Too good of an agreement from the Euro, EPS, and GEFS to ignore.

[tolakram]

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Hurricane Harvey Discussion Number 18
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL092017
400 PM CDT Thu Aug 24 2017

Since the issuance of the special advisory at 1800 UTC, data from a
dropsonde released by a NOAA Hurricane Hunter aircraft indicated
that Harvey's central pressure has dropped to 976 mb. However, the
plane has not measured winds stronger than what was observed by the
previous Air Force flight (although the NOAA P3 is flying a
research mission at a nonstandard level). For now, the initial
intensity will remain 75 kt pending data from another Air Force
flight this evening.

Harvey's initial motion estimate is 330/9 kt. A strengthening
mid-level high over the eastern Gulf of Mexico is expected to push
Harvey northwestward by tonight, and a northwest or north-northwest
motion should continue up until landfall. However, a stronger
mid-level high centered over the western United States is forecast
to cause Harvey to slow down considerably and stall near or just
inland of the Texas coast by days 3 and 4. After that time, the
track models have trended toward showing Harvey moving slowly
eastward by day 5, but it's too early to know if the center will
remain over land or re-emerge over the northwestern Gulf of Mexico.
The track guidance is very tightly clustered for the first 36-48
hours, which covers the period of landfall, but then there is much
greater spread in the models after 48 hours when Harvey is forecast
to slow down. Such guidance is usually an indication that the
cyclone will move very little, which is reflected in the official
forecast.

Harvey remains in an environment for further strengthening.
Vertical shear is low, and the hurricane will be moving over a warm
eddy of relatively higher oceanic heat content within the next
12-24 hours. As a result, the NHC intensity forecast calls for
additional intensification at least for the next 24 hours, with
Harvey expected to attain major hurricane strength on Friday.
There may be some fluctuations in intensity up until landfall due to
the possibility of an eyewall replacement or cooling of the shallow
shelf waters of Texas, but regardless Harvey is forecast to reach
the coast as a major hurricane. The intensity forecast after 48
hours is tricky because it all depends on how far inland Harvey
moves into Texas. If it stays stalls closer to the coast, as recent
model trends have suggested, then the cyclone may be able to
maintain a higher intensity with a greater proportion of its
circulation remaining over water. For that reason, the updated NHC
intensity forecast keeps Harvey as a tropical storm on days 3
through 5, but there is greater-than-normal uncertainty in this
part of the forecast.

It is critical that users not focus on the exact forecast track
of Harvey, since cycle-to-cycle adjustment are likely. All
locations within the hurricane and storm surge warning areas should
be preparing for the possibility of major hurricane-force winds and
life-threatening storm surge.

Key Messages:

1. Harvey is expected to be a major hurricane at landfall, bringing
life-threatening storm surge, rainfall, and wind hazards to portions
of the Texas coast. Preparations to protect life and property should
be completed by tonight, as tropical-storm-force winds will first
arrive in the hurricane and storm surge warning areas on Friday.

2. A Storm Surge Warning is in effect for much of the Texas coast.
Life-threatening storm surge flooding could reach heights of 6 to 12
feet above ground level at the coast between the north entrance of
the Padre Island National Seashore and Sargent. For a depiction of
areas at risk, see the Storm Surge Watch/Warning Graphic at
hurricanes.gov.

3. Devastating and life-threatening flooding is expected across the
middle and upper Texas coast from heavy rainfall of 15 to 25 inches,
with isolated amounts as high as 35 inches, from Friday through next
Wednesday. Please refer to products from your local National Weather
Service office and the NOAA Weather Prediction Center for more
information on the flooding hazard.

4. The Potential Storm Surge Flooding Map is available on the NHC
website. This product depicts a reasonable worst-case scenario -
the amount of inundation that has a 10 percent chance of being
exceeded at each individual location. This map best represents
the flooding potential in those locations within the watch and
warning areas.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 24/2100Z 24.7N 93.9W 75 KT 85 MPH
12H 25/0600Z 25.5N 94.8W 95 KT 110 MPH
24H 25/1800Z 26.7N 96.0W 110 KT 125 MPH
36H 26/0600Z 27.8N 96.7W 105 KT 120 MPH
48H 26/1800Z 28.5N 97.1W 85 KT 100 MPH...INLAND
72H 27/1800Z 28.7N 97.2W 45 KT 50 MPH...INLAND
96H 28/1800Z 28.5N 96.5W 35 KT 40 MPH...INLAND
120H 29/1800Z 29.0N 95.0W 35 KT 40 MPH...OVER WATER

$$
Forecaster Berg

NNNN

[Alyono]

have to watch out for rapid intensification if it moves back over the water. Baroclinic forcing may allow it

[Aric Dunn]

The eyewall is tightening. Convection building in all quads now in the last few images. Its about to deepen. Fully established core..

[Kingarabian]

Latest SSMI pass (3 hours old):



Dealing with dry air.

Eyewall needs to be cooler, intense, and completely closed if this wants to make it to major hurricane status. Also, signs of an concentric eyewall?

[KWT]

have to watch out for rapid intensification if it moves back over the water. Baroclinic forcing may allow it

Would that not be somewhat dependent on its inner core and the state of it?

Certainly becoming more possible that it comes back over the water, and the flooding situation if that happens is scary!

[ROCK]

that DISCO just seems so nonchalant...I mean where is that RITA DISCO type energy?

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[jabman98]

I'm a little confused about the official forecast. Does it currently call for it making landfall, going inland a bit, going back to the Gulf or at least staying somewhat on the coastline, and then moving up the coast? That's what it looks like from the image in this post

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. Seems like forecasts are a bit all over the place with things past Sat/Sun, so just trying to get a handle on it. Thanks.

[xironman]

Maybe a stadium effect at sundown?

[KWT]

The eyewall is tightening. Convection building in all quads now in the last few images. Its about to deepen. Fully established core..

Still looks a touch anemic in places of that eyewall, certainly getting there and each burst of convection is helping it but I'm not quite sure looking at a close up of the system that we are there just yet...probably won't be long.

[Blown Away]

man hope it goes inland far enough..NHC following the EURO...

The 4am 12hr spot was 24.0N/93.6W and the 5pm position is 24.7N/93.9W, Harvey slightly faster than predicted...

[jasons2k]

man hope it goes inland far enough..NHC following the EURO...

The 4am 12hr spot was 24.0N/93.6W and the 5pm position is 24.7N/93.9W, Harvey slightly faster than predicted...

And quite a bit further north, versus west

[Aric Dunn]

The eyewall is tightening. Convection building in all quads now in the last few images. Its about to deepen. Fully established core..

Still looks a touch anemic in places of that eyewall, certainly getting there and each burst of convection is helping it but I'm not quite sure looking at a close up of the system that we are there just yet...probably won't be long.

This is all a completely normal process. Look at visible full zoom established stacked core and hot towets building in all quads the deepening has commenced