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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3581 Postby northjaxpro » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:35 am

CryHavoc wrote:
mrbagyo wrote:IRMA is still moving westward and its eye has warmed considerably during the last few hours.
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So cool to see the bright red swaths pinwheeling around the COC as they grow larger.

Irma continues to look stronger and more menacing. There's a strong argument to be made for looking at the overall structure of the hurricane as an idea of intensity rather than just the barometric low point. Although clearly that becomes a more nuanced science for those just trying to know if they should get out of Dodge.

Irma is definitely getting into ominous territory right now with how much stronger the convection outside of the eyewall is looking. Taking the classic shape of legendary 'canes of the past. I've been lukewarm on her presentation to this point but she really does look to be on the verge of taking that next step.


Irma is potentially well on its way of becoming one of the most powerful tropical cyclones, certainly for the North Atlantic basin, at least for sure.


It is so mind boggling how strong Irma is now and potentially could still get down the road.

If Irma avoids land interaction or keeps that at a minimum, she could possibly challenge the WPAC all-timers with the pressure records. It is not out if the realm of possibilities. I have just been blown away with Irma. She is an extremely. impressive and dangerous tropical cyclone which many, myself unfortunately included, will likely have to deal with in about 5 -6 days from now.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3582 Postby Digital-TC-Chaser » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:47 am

Likely a solid T7 dvorak
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3583 Postby Ntxw » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:57 am

:uarrow:

Yeah looks T7.0 now which means recon should find Cat 5 type winds soon. If medium gray (CMG) can surround then Irma will challenge the top storms of the Atlantic
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3584 Postby Hammy » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:58 am

bob rulz wrote:Donna never became a Cat 5 hurricane? The tracks I see show it as a Cat 3 in this area of the basin.


I think it was lowered to a 4 on reanalysis.

Interestingly Irma is starting to remind me of Luis in 1995 as far as satellite appearance, and it was the last 4 to hit the northern Antilles.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3585 Postby mrbagyo » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:59 am

northjaxpro wrote:If Irma avoids land interaction or keeps that at a minimum, she could possibly challenge the WPAC all-timers with the pressure records. It is not out if the realm of possibilities. I have just been blown away with Irma. She is an extremely. impressive and dangerous tropical cyclone which many, myself unfortunately included, will likely have to deal with in about 5 -6 days from now.


If IRMA can form a full CDG ring (like Haiyan, Gay, Nuri, Hagupit, Angela, Yuri) with a very warm eye, then maybe. The main advantage of Irma is that Recon is in her favor.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3586 Postby northjaxpro » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:01 am

:uarrow: Yep, I agree with you mrbagyo.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3587 Postby Ntxw » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:06 am

mrbagyo wrote:
northjaxpro wrote:If Irma avoids land interaction or keeps that at a minimum, she could possibly challenge the WPAC all-timers with the pressure records. It is not out if the realm of possibilities. I have just been blown away with Irma. She is an extremely. impressive and dangerous tropical cyclone which many, myself unfortunately included, will likely have to deal with in about 5 -6 days from now.


If IRMA can form a full CDG ring (like Haiyan, Gay, Nuri, Hagupit, Angela, Yuri) with a very warm eye, then maybe. The main advantage of Irma is that Recon is in her favor.


CDG ring is very rare in the Atlantic. I think Wilma (maybe Gilbert?) might be the only ones? CMG looks more achievable given her cloud top temps
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3588 Postby northjaxpro » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:12 am

Ntxw, I think I remember the CDG ring with Gilbert I do believe.. I will double check.

Irma is getting into rare territory with being potentially among the all-timers that is for sure.

EDIT: It was Wilma.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3589 Postby WeatherGuesser » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:21 am

Not gonna turn and go up the eastern seaboard is it?

Potential here now for the third of the season to pass remnants over my area.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Main Recon Thread (Data only)

#3590 Postby Sciencerocks » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:25 am

000
URNT15 KWBC 050824
NOAA2 0711A IRMA HDOB 03 20170905
081430 1348N 05833W 4853 06111 0315 -051 -145 335018 019 /// /// 03
081500 1349N 05831W 4853 06111 0317 -048 -159 323019 020 /// /// 03
081530 1350N 05829W 4851 06115 0317 -048 -161 319020 021 /// /// 03
081600 1352N 05827W 4852 06113 0317 -050 -111 321019 020 /// /// 03
081630 1353N 05825W 4851 06113 0317 -049 -154 323021 021 /// /// 03
081700 1354N 05823W 4851 06113 0316 -050 -195 321021 021 /// /// 03
081730 1355N 05821W 4852 06112 0316 -048 -197 320020 021 /// /// 03
081800 1357N 05819W 4851 06112 0316 -048 -205 320021 022 /// /// 03
081830 1358N 05817W 4852 06111 0315 -050 -199 321022 022 /// /// 03
081900 1359N 05815W 4850 06111 0314 -052 -201 322023 023 /// /// 03
081930 1401N 05813W 4850 06112 0313 -051 -189 323022 023 /// /// 03
082000 1402N 05810W 4852 06108 0313 -048 -212 320021 021 /// /// 03
082030 1403N 05808W 4852 06109 0313 -046 -201 317019 019 /// /// 03
082100 1404N 05806W 4851 06109 0312 -044 -211 315019 019 /// /// 03
082130 1406N 05804W 4850 06109 0312 -048 -198 315020 020 /// /// 03
082200 1407N 05802W 4851 06107 0311 -046 -213 311020 020 /// /// 03
082230 1408N 05800W 4850 06107 0310 -046 -274 309020 020 /// /// 03
082300 1410N 05758W 4852 06105 0309 -043 -222 307020 021 /// /// 03
082330 1411N 05756W 4852 06104 0309 -044 -244 302020 021 /// /// 03
082400 1412N 05754W 4849 06107 0308 -043 -260 310022 023 /// /// 03
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Recon Discussion Thread

#3591 Postby Sciencerocks » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:27 am

I'll predict that they'll find 146 knt flight level winds, 134 knt smrf and 928mb pressure on the first northeast pass.

Before the 11am est update we'll find evidence that this is a cat5.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Main Recon Thread (Data only)

#3592 Postby Sciencerocks » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:38 am

000
URNT15 KWBC 050834
NOAA2 0711A IRMA HDOB 04 20170905
082430 1413N 05752W 4852 06104 0308 -040 -314 311022 022 /// /// 03
082500 1415N 05750W 4850 06105 0307 -046 -274 314024 024 /// /// 03
082530 1416N 05748W 4851 06103 0306 -046 -197 312024 025 /// /// 03
082600 1417N 05745W 4852 06102 0306 -044 -187 310025 026 /// /// 03
082630 1419N 05743W 4851 06102 0306 -040 -264 305025 025 /// /// 03
082700 1420N 05741W 4850 06103 0306 -038 -257 302024 024 /// /// 03
082730 1421N 05739W 4850 06103 0306 -037 -271 298024 025 /// /// 03
082800 1423N 05737W 4850 06105 0306 -045 -157 299024 025 /// /// 03
082830 1424N 05735W 4851 06103 0305 -043 -199 295025 025 /// /// 03
082900 1425N 05733W 4852 06100 0305 -042 -163 293024 025 /// /// 03
082930 1426N 05731W 4850 06102 0304 -044 -169 291023 023 /// /// 03
083000 1428N 05729W 4850 06101 0304 -048 -231 293025 025 /// /// 03
083030 1429N 05726W 4851 06100 0303 -050 -159 289023 024 /// /// 03
083100 1430N 05724W 4850 06101 0302 -051 -157 291024 025 /// /// 03
083130 1432N 05722W 4850 06099 0301 -053 -158 289025 026 /// /// 03
083200 1433N 05720W 4850 06099 0301 -053 -135 288026 026 /// /// 03
083230 1434N 05718W 4851 06097 0300 -052 -113 286027 027 /// /// 03
083300 1436N 05716W 4851 06096 0300 -052 -099 281027 028 /// /// 03
083330 1437N 05713W 4850 06098 0299 -056 -100 280026 027 /// /// 03
083400 1438N 05711W 4849 06098 0298 -051 -117 285026 027 /// /// 03
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3593 Postby brghteys1216 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:42 am

waiting for irma to make that WNW turn. Should be any time now right?
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Main Recon Thread (Data only)

#3594 Postby Sciencerocks » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:46 am

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URNT15 KWBC 050844
NOAA2 0711A IRMA HDOB 05 20170905
083430 1440N 05709W 4850 06096 0298 -051 -111 282026 026 /// /// 03
083500 1441N 05707W 4850 06096 0298 -050 -114 278026 026 /// /// 03
083530 1442N 05705W 4850 06096 0297 -045 -221 280027 028 /// /// 03
083600 1444N 05702W 4851 06093 0297 -045 -230 279027 028 /// /// 03
083630 1445N 05700W 4850 06096 0297 -046 -220 277029 029 /// /// 03
083700 1446N 05658W 4851 06093 0296 -047 -186 274029 029 /// /// 03
083730 1448N 05656W 4849 06095 0295 -052 -125 267029 030 /// /// 03
083800 1449N 05654W 4852 06090 0294 -053 -131 263031 031 /// /// 03
083830 1450N 05651W 4849 06093 0294 -053 -133 268032 032 /// /// 03
083900 1452N 05649W 4849 06094 0294 -050 -128 269030 030 /// /// 03
083930 1453N 05647W 4850 06091 0293 -052 -070 265030 031 /// /// 03
084000 1455N 05645W 4853 06087 0292 -053 -066 262031 032 /// /// 03
084030 1456N 05642W 4850 06090 0292 -052 -063 262030 032 /// /// 03
084100 1457N 05640W 4851 06090 0292 -052 -071 265029 030 /// /// 03
084130 1459N 05638W 4851 06088 0292 -051 -082 259030 031 /// /// 03
084200 1500N 05636W 4850 06089 0291 -052 -110 258031 032 /// /// 03
084230 1501N 05633W 4850 06089 0290 -050 -103 257031 032 /// /// 03
084300 1503N 05631W 4850 06088 0290 -047 -135 253032 032 /// /// 03
084330 1504N 05629W 4850 06089 0290 -051 -108 252034 034 /// /// 03
084400 1506N 05627W 4852 06086 0290 -050 -102 254033 034 /// /// 03
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3595 Postby Hammy » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:48 am

NHC may be going conservative with the intensity prior to recon's arrival.

5:00 AM AST Tue Sep 5
Location: 16.6°N 57.0°W
Moving: W at 14 mph
Min pressure: 937 mb
Max sustained: 150 mph
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3596 Postby WeatherGuesser » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:51 am

BULLETIN
Hurricane Irma Advisory Number 24
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL112017
500 AM AST Tue Sep 05 2017

...DANGEROUS HURRICANE IRMA HEADING FOR THE LEEWARD ISLANDS WITH 150
MPH WINDS...


SUMMARY OF 500 AM AST...0900 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...16.6N 57.0W
ABOUT 320 MI...515 KM E OF THE LEEWARD ISLANDS
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...150 MPH...240 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 270 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...937 MB...27.67 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

The government of Barbados has issued a Tropical Storm Warning for
Dominica.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Hurricane Warning is in effect for...
* Antigua, Barbuda, Anguilla, Montserrat, St. Kitts, and Nevis
* Saba, St. Eustatius, and Sint Maarten
* Saint Martin and Saint Barthelemy
* British Virgin Islands
* U.S. Virgin Islands
* Puerto Rico, Vieques, and Culebra

A Hurricane Watch is in effect for...
* Guadeloupe

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...
* Guadeloupe
* Dominica
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3597 Postby WeatherGuesser » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:53 am

Hurricane Irma Discussion Number 24
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL112017
500 AM AST Tue Sep 05 2017

The cloud pattern on satellite is spectacular with a clear eye
surrounded by a ring of very deep convection. An Air Force plane
was in the eye of the hurricane a few hours ago and measured
surface winds of 126 kt with the SFMR. Since the plane left, the
could pattern has become even more impressive and objective
T-numbers have been oscillating around 7.0 on the Dvorak scale.
Based on the average of these estimates, the initial intensity
is adjusted upward to 130 kt.

The hurricane will be moving through an environment of low vertical
wind shear, a moist mid-level atmosphere, and increasing upper-ocean
heat content, and this is ideal for some additional intensification.
However, given that the SHIPS models do not show any significant
change in the intensity, the NHC forecast keeps Irma a powerful
hurricane through five days.

Recon and satellite fixes indicate that Irma is moving toward the
west or 270 degrees at 12 kt. The hurricane is moving around the
periphery of the Atlantic subtropical ridge, which in fact is quite
strong at this time. This persistent pattern should keep Irma on a
general westward track for the next 24 hours, with a west-northwest
track thereafter. The guidance envelope and many of the ensemble
members of the GFS and the ECMWF models have shifted slightly
westward since the previous run. The NHC forecast also shifted
slightly westward, and it is on top of the multi-model consensus.
The confidence in the forecast beyond 3 days is lower, since the
guidance spreads out more.

Users are reminded to not focus on the exact forecast track,
especially at the longer ranges, since the average NHC track errors
are about 175 and 225 statute miles at days 4 and 5, respectively.

KEY MESSAGES:

1. Irma is expected to affect the northeastern Leeward Islands as a
dangerous major hurricane, accompanied by life-threatening wind,
storm surge, and rainfall impacts. Hurricane warnings are in effect
for portions of the Leeward Islands. Preparations should be rushed
to completion, as tropical-storm force winds are expected to first
arrive in the hurricane warning area later today.

2. Irma is also expected to affect the British and U.S. Virgin
Islands and Puerto Rico as a dangerous major hurricane later this
week. Hurricane warnings have been issued for these areas, and
tropical-storm-force winds could arrive in these areas by early
Wednesday.

3. Irma could directly affect Hispaniola, the Turks and Caicos, the
Bahamas, and Cuba as a dangerous major hurricane later this week.
Residents in these areas should monitor the progress of Irma and
listen to advice given by officials.

4. There is an increasing chance of seeing some impacts from Irma in
the Florida Peninsula and the Florida Keys later this week and this
weekend. Otherwise, it is still too early to determine what direct
impacts Irma might have on the continental United States. However,
everyone in hurricane-prone areas should ensure that they have their
hurricane plan in place.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 05/0900Z 16.6N 57.0W 130 KT 150 MPH
12H 05/1800Z 17.0N 58.9W 130 KT 150 MPH
24H 06/0600Z 17.7N 61.5W 130 KT 150 MPH
36H 06/1800Z 18.6N 64.2W 130 KT 150 MPH
48H 07/0600Z 19.6N 67.0W 125 KT 145 MPH
72H 08/0600Z 21.2N 72.5W 120 KT 140 MPH
96H 09/0600Z 22.4N 77.2W 115 KT 130 MPH
120H 10/0600Z 24.0N 81.0W 115 KT 130 MPH

$$
Forecaster Avila
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3598 Postby Digital-TC-Chaser » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:54 am

http://rammb-slider.cira.colostate.edu/ ... mmb-slider

You can see on Airmass if you switch IRMA is creating its own environment against the dry air.

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#3599 Postby WeatherGuesser » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:56 am

Five Day cone still shows no turn and put it nears the FL Keys by Sunday.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Main Recon Thread (Data only)

#3600 Postby Sciencerocks » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:56 am

000
URNT15 KWBC 050854
NOAA2 0711A IRMA HDOB 06 20170905
084430 1508N 05625W 4849 06089 0289 -048 -108 252034 034 /// /// 03
084500 1510N 05623W 4849 06089 0289 -048 -110 249032 033 /// /// 03
084530 1512N 05622W 4851 06087 0289 -049 -107 249035 035 /// /// 03
084600 1514N 05620W 4848 06090 0289 -049 -104 249037 038 /// /// 03
084630 1515N 05617W 4915 05980 0280 -046 -092 249036 037 /// /// 03
084700 1516N 05615W 5054 05760 0264 -035 -071 243035 035 /// /// 03
084730 1517N 05612W 5219 05501 0246 -020 -061 233035 035 /// /// 03
084800 1517N 05610W 5397 05233 0228 -003 -043 226033 034 /// /// 03
084830 1518N 05607W 5551 05011 9998 +008 -028 216033 034 /// /// 03
084900 1519N 05605W 5780 04682 9993 +029 -011 216035 036 /// /// 03
084930 1520N 05603W 5991 04390 0001 +044 +002 215037 038 /// /// 03
085000 1521N 05600W 6191 04120 0018 +051 +007 212038 039 /// /// 03
085030 1522N 05558W 6374 03885 0021 +064 +023 209039 040 /// /// 03
085100 1523N 05556W 6585 03616 0026 +077 +036 209040 041 /// /// 03
085130 1523N 05553W 6768 03391 0026 +094 +042 209039 040 /// /// 03
085200 1523N 05551W 6930 03196 0035 +100 +056 211040 041 /// /// 03
085230 1524N 05548W 7052 03052 0037 +107 +072 206044 046 /// /// 03
085300 1524N 05546W 7109 02985 0042 +108 +090 202042 042 /// /// 03
085330 1525N 05544W 7063 03041 0042 +106 +085 202040 041 /// /// 03
085400 1526N 05542W 7081 03022 0045 +105 +085 205041 041 019 000 03
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