ATL: HARVEY - Post-Tropical - Discussion

[Blinhart]

Link: https://youtu.be/GiuJMxrnifI
Rockport
Live Storms Media

Although most of those structures weren't very well built, that is solid Cat.3 damage in that video probably the worst wind damage I have seen since Charley.

My question is why people are saying these buildings aren't very well built. From what I understand Rockport and a lot of the areas around there have blossomed in the last 20 years, so they have to have at minimum Hurricane Andrew building standards I would think. Maybe not the Miami-Homestead standards because those standards took at least 10 years to move up the Florida coast so I know it took longer for them to make over here to Louisiana, but I know most new buildings along the coast of Louisiana now have to be built a certain level above sea level and to certain structure requirements.

[Blinhart]

What really bugs me about weather coverage is that they always focus on the worst of the damage. You never get a proper survey of a broad area, with both strong and weak buildings, woodframe and concrete. They focus on what's usually the path of a tornado, or a trailer park, or whatever looks particularly newsworthy.

Exactly. It's disaster p*rn, not real news. If it were more of a survey, people would learn more about how to build (or not build) in hurricane zones.

There are certain building standards that have to be done now. You just can't go and build a structure, you have to go through many different procedures to start building if you are in hurricane zones, it can take up to 2 to 3 years before you can even start building depending on which zone you are trying to build in.

[CrazyC83]

The real damage is still to come. The wind damage of Cat 3-4 levels is a very small area, remember...basically wherever the eyewall crossed. Only a few areas around Copano Bay, including Rockport and Fulton, saw such winds.

The inland flooding will cover a large area though, many counties.

[EquusStorm]

Looking at visible loops, it's amazing how slow the structure is winding down thus far. Not that it's been onshore for a long time but the center is still pretty tight and organized at least by looks on satellite. Surface winds may have died down but the center is still spinning pretty impressively.

[vbhoutex]

WE HAVE JUST HAD TWO DAMAGING TORNADOES IN THE HOUSTON AREA IN COPPERFIELD AND CYPRESS! WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM NWS AND NHC TO STOP THE HARVEY IS A BUST POSTS. ON S2K THIS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. THIS IS FAR FROM OVER!! I HAVE INSTRUCTED STAFF TO TAKE DOWN SUCH POSTS WITHOUT WARNING AND SUSPEND THOSE ACCOUNTS!! THIS IS NOT CONJECTURE, IT IS A REQUEST FROM THESE AGENCIES!! AND YES IT IS SOMEWHAT PERSONAL AS MY CHILDREN AND GRANDS JUST WENT THROUGH THIS!! Still don't know if my daughters house is ok. Know son and family are fine. Also know Daughter and family are ok, just don't know about the house. Am definitely blessed, but do not want to go through this again!!

[Frank P]

Looking at the vis Sat loops sure looks like Harvey is moving again, albeit just a drift to the NE to ENE... from what I can tell...

[Steve]

Link: https://youtu.be/GiuJMxrnifI
Rockport
Live Storms Media

Although most of those structures weren't very well built, that is solid Cat.3 damage in that video probably the worst wind damage I have seen since Charley.

I agree on the 3 looking damage in that piece. But I think there was way more smashed up and mangled damage in Rita, Ike and then on the Mississippi Gulf Coast with Katrina where anything not concrete piled up miles inland. I've actually never seen an area as wiped clean as that. Frank P who lives there will tell you. Slabs. Unlike Andrew where the destruction was complete but was due in large part to the wind and everything looked like matchsticks, this just swept through and took blocks away. Anything left standing had no doors, windows or contents as they got scoured out. I'm not trying to hype Katrina at all. But if you haven't looked at some of the before after pictures from BSL, Long Beach, Pass Christian, Gulfport or Biloxi, you owe yourself some research. That's not to downplay Charley either. It was a beast and smashed a ton of stuff along the way. It was a small storm thankfully though that has often been cited as a reason it got so strong. I feel like if Harvey was a larger storm and/or was not all that far up or down the coastline, damage to coastal cities and beach towns would have been much more widespread.

[CrazyC83]

This is just Day 2 of the activity as well. The rain is supposed to stay...until Wednesday or Thursday.

Also I doubt anyone in Rockport or that area would call the storm a "bust", as they took catastrophic damage.

[xironman]

 https://twitter.com/hurricanetrack/status/901489385723580416

hurricanetrack is going to need to speed back home to catch future Irma.

[JDawg512]

I live on the southside of Austin and we continue to get pelted with rain and gusty winds and its been like this since about 12:30-1 a.m. Approaching 5 inches in my gauges. This is going to keep on going for quite awhile.

[Meteorcane]

Link: https://youtu.be/GiuJMxrnifI
Rockport
Live Storms Media

Although most of those structures weren't very well built, that is solid Cat.3 damage in that video probably the worst wind damage I have seen since Charley.

I agree on the 3 looking damage in that piece. But I think there was way more smashed up and mangled damage in Rita, Ike and then on the Mississippi Gulf Coast with Katrina where anything not concrete piled up miles inland. I've actually never seen an area as wiped clean as that. Frank P who lives there will tell you. Slabs. Unlike Andrew where the destruction was complete but was due in large part to the wind and everything looked like matchsticks, this just swept through and took blocks away. Anything left standing had no doors, windows or contents as they got scoured out. I'm not trying to hype Katrina at all. But if you haven't looked at some of the before after pictures from BSL, Long Beach, Pass Christian, Gulfport or Biloxi, you owe yourself some research. That's not to downplay Charley either. It was a beast and smashed a ton of stuff along the way. It was a small storm thankfully though that has often been cited as a reason it got so strong. I feel like if Harvey was a larger storm and/or was not all that far up or down the coastline, damage to coastal cities and beach towns would have been much more widespread.

I agree with you the major surge storms (particularly Katrina) definitely had more complete damage than what I have seen with Harvey and the damage on the Ms. Gulf Coast is as complete as I think I have ever seen in a US natural disaster. I was referring to wind damage specifically (I don't doubt there was also extensive wind damage in La/MS it was just hard to tell due to the destruction from the surge.

[RachelAnna]

NW of Houston in Cypress and 3 confirmed tornadoes. Too many people out here thinking this is over and it's far from over.

[sbcc]

Still don't know if my daughters house is ok. Know son and family are fine. Also know Daughter and family are ok, just don't know about the house. Am definitely blessed, but do not want to go through this again!!

So happy to hear that your family is fine. I sure hope your daughter's home was spared. Hoping and praying for the best.

[EquusStorm]

Idk I figured the inland impacts as recently as Irene and Matthew would remind everyone that freshwater flooding is often the most devastating overall part of a system... and this is moving slower than both of those were, and will stall for longer. I didn't really expect the coastal impact despite its severity to be the big deal overall... and those flooding impacts, the real story, have only barely begun.

[Frank P]

Harvey on the move to the NE...

[Hurricane Andrew]

WE HAVE JUST HAD TWO DAMAGING TORNADOES IN THE HOUSTON AREA IN COPPERFIELD AND CYPRESS! WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM NWS AND NHC TO STOP THE HARVEY IS A BUST POSTS. ON S2K THIS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. THIS IS FAR FROM OVER!! I HAVE INSTRUCTED STAFF TO TAKE DOWN SUCH POSTS WITHOUT WARNING AND SUSPEND THOSE ACCOUNTS!! THIS IS NOT CONJECTURE, IT IS A REQUEST FROM THESE AGENCIES!! AND YES IT IS SOMEWHAT PERSONAL AS MY CHILDREN AND GRANDS JUST WENT THROUGH THIS!! Still don't know if my daughters house is ok. Know son and family are fine. Also know Daughter and family are ok, just don't know about the house. Am definitely blessed, but do not want to go through this again!!

Harvey was never going to be a bust...I had a sickening feeling watching Jeff's stream last night. I have been in some pretty hairy situations on calls and stuff, but NOTHING like what you guys just went through. Very glad to hear your family is alright, and I will be praying for their house as well.

There is still a lot of assessment to happen, but for anyone saying that this was a bust, I will quote something that a neighboring department's fire LT said once on the scene of a call: "Someone *expletive* died!"

Someone died. This is not a bust, and anyone who thinks so is deceived at best and disrespectful at worst. Someone died. For most of us, it is so easy to just see that as a statistic on a screen, but for people out there who just lost a loved one, maybe a husband or wife, son or daughter, it is so much more than that. THAT is the reality I have to face when I am volunteering, and THAT is the reality you should all think of when watching this storm.

Yes, our hobby is fun, but these storms are DEADLY. Remember that.

Not directed at you, VBH, just a general rant. No disrespect intended.

[Nikki]

I'm 20 miles North of Galveston and it's not bad here right now and I hope it stays that way! My thoughts and prayers are with everyone in Rockport and surrounding areas and everyone getting hit with tornadoes!

Oh and I wish we knew for sure what Harvey was going to do next! Back out to the GOM? Or inland and rain himself out? I have a lot to learn with systems, so I just sit back and read and try to learn! Thank you all for posting updates and helpful hints!! You all rock!!

[Kingarabian]

Coast guard rescues 15 in CC.

[SoupBone]

WE HAVE JUST HAD TWO DAMAGING TORNADOES IN THE HOUSTON AREA IN COPPERFIELD AND CYPRESS! WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM NWS AND NHC TO STOP THE HARVEY IS A BUST POSTS. ON S2K THIS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. THIS IS FAR FROM OVER!! I HAVE INSTRUCTED STAFF TO TAKE DOWN SUCH POSTS WITHOUT WARNING AND SUSPEND THOSE ACCOUNTS!! THIS IS NOT CONJECTURE, IT IS A REQUEST FROM THESE AGENCIES!! AND YES IT IS SOMEWHAT PERSONAL AS MY CHILDREN AND GRANDS JUST WENT THROUGH THIS!! Still don't know if my daughters house is ok. Know son and family are fine. Also know Daughter and family are ok, just don't know about the house. Am definitely blessed, but do not want to go through this again!!

Any damage reports?

[sbcc]

Coast guard rescues 15 in CC.

Please, for the love of Pete, link or at least name a source. We had big problems with this last night.