ATL: HARVEY - Post-Tropical - Discussion

[tolakram]

New camera live from Hurricanetrack, monitoring the dam release flooding. You can see the wind picking up as well.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/JgyNETD3Xzs

[tgenius]

What's even more incredible is I was reading that only 15% of Houston homeowners have flood insurance. Those that didn't could lose everything :/

Holy poop. That's the story here. This will RUIN thousands of families.

Here is one of the articles:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/25/news/ec ... index.html

15 percent for Houston, and 20 percent for Corpus Christie... In Miami in quite a few areas, Flood Insurance is mandatory (including where I live); and I live a good 20+ miles from the shoreline too.

[artist]

Finally heard from my parents in Vidor. They have power but, my dad said they are completely flooded in their house. They are on pier-and-beam so no water is actually in the house. He is 70 and has lived in Vidor his whole life and said he has never seen water that high.

Prayers for them.

[stephen23]

What's even more incredible is I was reading that only 15% of Houston homeowners have flood insurance. Those that didn't could lose everything :/

Holy poop. That's the story here. This will RUIN thousands of families.

Here is one of the articles:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/25/news/ec ... index.html

15 percent for Houston, and 20 percent for Corpus Christie... In Miami in quite a few areas, Flood Insurance is mandatory (including where I live); and I live a good 20+ miles from the shoreline too.

Means they live in an area above the 100 year flood plain. This is a 600 year flood so easy to see many will not have flood insurance

[artist]

Any voluntary evacuations may become mandatory. Prepare for that, if you are staying, officials have warned.

[Aric Dunn]

REcon is supposed to fly today.. they probably will cancel the first flight since its sitting on the coast.

[tolakram]

There have been numerous evac upgrades. I'm following Jeff Lindner on twitter who tweets or retweets most notices.

https://twitter.com/JeffLindner1

[nutkin517]

Bevil Oaks has issued a mandatory evacuation. It says if you flooded in 1994, you will flood again. Pine Island Bayou is expected to crest at 31 ft.

[SunnyThoughts]

There have been numerous evac upgrades. I'm following Jeff Lindner on twitter who tweets or retweets most notices.

https://twitter.com/JeffLindner1

I also heard abc13.com say that Lindler will be holding another press conference concerning the reservoir releases at 2pm about 1 1/2 hours from now.

[CrazyC83]

As far as dams go, the general issue with earthen dams, or earthen berms surrounding damns, is that any over spill will dig into the dam or berm leading to catastrophic failure and the sudden release of all the water. Under no circumstances can these be allowed to over top, even if it means flooding the surrounding area with a controlled release.

A dam break basically would be Katrina all over again. Agreed some sacrifice is needed to save most of the communities.

This was one of the communities near the reservoir this morning after the first release.

I would consider that minor flooding. Doesn't seem to be getting into houses. But the next rounds may raise the levels higher.

[Frank P]

REcon is supposed to fly today.. they probably will cancel the first flight since its sitting on the coast.

Actually I think it was planned for tomorrow

000
NOUS42 KNHC 281432
REPRPD
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
1030 AM EDT MON 28 AUGUST 2017
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
VALID 29/1100Z TO 30/1100Z AUGUST 2017
TCPOD NUMBER.....17-088

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. TROPICAL STORM HARVEY
FLIGHT ONE -- TEAL 71
A. 29/1730Z
B AFXXX 2109A HARVEY
C. 29/1545Z
D. 28.3N 95.0W
E. 29/1700Z TO 29/2100Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

2. SUCCEEDING DAY OUTLOOK.....NEGATIVE

[stormreader]

There is some SW to NE shear to it; but, that rotating and deepening cell very close to the better-looking CoC is indeed very interesting.

I remember one time, a long while back, seeing a TC intensify in the Glades.

I know tropical storm Fay did, and I believe Katrina may have.

Back around "88 or so, one organized (became a depression) while center coordinates were over Lake Ponchartrain (north of New Orleans) well off the coast. It slipped down SE and was upgraded to a tropical storm while in the coastal waters (Lake Borgne) actually a bay which is SE of New Orleans. Seems like storm had a "g" name.

Better organization of Harvey is apparent. Pretty good chance, I think, that pressure falls and wind increases to 60-65 mph before second landfall. Just a guess.

[Steve]

What's even more incredible is I was reading that only 15% of Houston homeowners have flood insurance. Those that didn't could lose everything :/

It's insane not to have flood insurance in 2017. If you're not in a flood hazard area, the cost is minimal - like 50-75/month. It's partially subsidized, and premiums are rated on your specific flood zone. I was in disbelief when I found out about all the people in the Baton Rouge metro that didn't have flood insurance last year. A lot of people never flooded before. So unless you are wealthy enough to self-insure and cut your losses, if you have a ground floor, live in hurricane prone areas, watersheds, the south, etc., you really need to have it.

[MBryant]

REcon is supposed to fly today.. they probably will cancel the first flight since its sitting on the coast.

Is there a practical reason they wouldn't fly over the coast or is it a political jurisdiction thing?

[Aric Dunn]

REcon is supposed to fly today.. they probably will cancel the first flight since its sitting on the coast.

Actually I think it was planned for tomorrow

000
NOUS42 KNHC 281432
REPRPD
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
1030 AM EDT MON 28 AUGUST 2017
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
VALID 29/1100Z TO 30/1100Z AUGUST 2017
TCPOD NUMBER.....17-088

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. TROPICAL STORM HARVEY
FLIGHT ONE -- TEAL 71
A. 29/1730Z
B AFXXX 2109A HARVEY
C. 29/1545Z
D. 28.3N 95.0W
E. 29/1700Z TO 29/2100Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

2. SUCCEEDING DAY OUTLOOK.....NEGATIVE

yep. oops i was reading the flight for TD 10 ..

[MBryant]

REcon is supposed to fly today.. they probably will cancel the first flight since its sitting on the coast.

Is there a practical reason they wouldn't fly over the coast or is it a political jurisdiction thing?

[pcolaman]

What's even more incredible is I was reading that only 15% of Houston homeowners have flood insurance. Those that didn't could lose everything :/

FEma will kick in to help rebuild. If you have flood insurance then they will still help with a portion of the loss.

[Aric Dunn]

Pressure is falling near Matagorda. down to 996 mb..

[artist]

Louisiana is having a press conference. On the weather channel

[SunnyThoughts]

abc13.com speaking to someone on the phone in NE Houston, a woman is in labor...Hope everything goes well, paramedics are there.