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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#61 Postby CyclonicFury » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:50 pm

AJC3 wrote:An interesting aspect of the potential TC-genesis from 93L is that there is a significant northerly post-frontal wind surge now pushing across the Yucatan and NW Caribbean that will be entrained into its embryonic circulation. This is likely to be a "double-edged sword", so to speak. On the one hand these types of surges have been known to boost cyclonic vorticity, helping the system spin up (e.g. Typhoon Vamei, and a number of " tehuantepecer" gap wind events on the EPAC side). On the other hand, is the fact that this surge is carrying a modified post-frontal air mass southward, which isn't particularly helpful form a thermodynamic standpoint. We'll see how this plays out.

I'm thinking we'll see a TC eventually come out of this, however, whatever does form, I don't see it getting terribly strong, and more than likely weakening very quickly once it gets north of the latitude of Cuba.

Didn’t we see one of these wind surges help Otto spin up rapidly last year after showing little organization for days?
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#62 Postby gatorcane » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:17 pm

Definitely looks to be organizing with broad cyclonic spin (maybe something near the NE tip of Nicaragua?), but at the same time, the dry air spilling south into the Southern GOM and NW Caribbean could hinder development. Vis loop floater:

http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis ... display=12
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#63 Postby jlauderdal » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:06 pm

euro looks more robust then gfs which is more elongated, interesting late season system too see if it can develop an LLC before getting sheared out
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#64 Postby ronjon » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:11 pm

gatorcane wrote:Definitely looks to be organizing with broad cyclonic spin (maybe something near the NE tip of Nicaragua?), but at the same time, the dry air spilling south into the Southern GOM and NW Caribbean could hinder development. Vis loop floater:

http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis ... display=12


I would think NHC would up development chances the next TWO - I'd say 60% based on present SAT trends.
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#65 Postby BYG Jacob » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:23 pm

Slowly, but surely, organizing.
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#66 Postby gatorcane » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:33 pm

BYG Jacob wrote:Slowly, but surely, organizing.


Yep sure is, look around the NE tip of Nicaragua/Honduras border:

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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#67 Postby Nimbus » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:25 pm

Should be enough of that digging trough left to pull 93L north over water again.
Maybe a stall after that?
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#68 Postby floridasun78 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:15 pm

key west busy with Fantasy Fest their dont need ts even big rain event
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#69 Postby floridasun78 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:41 pm

2017 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16) close so mean season is over time have cool night and recover from hurr season i have feeling this area only be rain maker in nw carribbean
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#70 Postby Evil Jeremy » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:36 pm

No convective bursts in the past 5ish hours. Almost devoid now as the afternoon flare ups died out.
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#71 Postby wxman57 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:53 pm

Still looks like the low will be merging with the cold front just off the SE FL coast Saturday night. Not much chance of anything strong developing - until it gets up near New England as a cold-core occluded low.
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#72 Postby floridasun78 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:19 pm

one blog i read i get his email say we see ts wind here in miami on sat
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#73 Postby Frank2 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:31 pm

Still looks like the low will be merging with the cold front just off the SE FL coast Saturday night. Not much chance of anything strong developing - until it gets up near New England as a cold-core occluded low.


The 00z models were initialized with a 020 heading so hopefully further offshore...
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#74 Postby joey » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:03 am

Frank2 wrote:
Still looks like the low will be merging with the cold front just off the SE FL coast Saturday night. Not much chance of anything strong developing - until it gets up near New England as a cold-core occluded low.


The 00z models were initialized with a 020 heading so hopefully further offshore...


what im getting from tthose is thatv they are trending further north over south fl where they were just south before we shall see :uarrow:
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#75 Postby Blown Away » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:02 am

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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#76 Postby galaxy401 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:36 am

Starting to look like the models that had the EPAC system developing might be right after all.
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#77 Postby jlauderdal » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:25 am

i put away the shutters away so expect a 2,3 in November in SE Florida... :roll:
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#78 Postby SFLcane » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:34 am

Looking for development odds to be lowered its really getting a full dose of the cold continental airmass.
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#79 Postby Alyono » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:48 am

One of the rare times when the EPAC is favored in a la niña. Happened the other way a couple of times (1994, 2009)
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Re: ATL: Invest 93L - Discussion

#80 Postby wxman57 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:45 am

Yep, development chances not looking so good. Cold front has reached the NW Caribbean. This low will form along the front and really explode offshore southern New England late this weekend into early next week.
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