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Re: WPAC: JEBI - Typhoon
3 way tie now for WPACs Strongest (JMA).
105 knots ,915 mb
1. Jelawat
2. Maria
3. Jebi
105 knots ,915 mb
1. Jelawat
2. Maria
3. Jebi
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Re: WPAC: JEBI - Typhoon
2x post, whoops
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Re: WPAC: JEBI - Typhoon
ADT Ver. 9.0
Eye temp is now at +19.6 °C
Eye temp is now at +19.6 °C
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Re: WPAC: JEBI - Typhoon
cjrciadt wrote:
Compared to Megi? or I dont want to even say the same.
Probably not at the moment, since Megi '10 had significantly colder convection with a similar if not slightly warmer eye. Some of the recon data from Megi supported a system in the 170-175 kt range, so that is admittedly a very high target. The current 145 kt from JTWC looks pretty good at the moment, although I wouldn't be surprised if it were still just a little stronger than the current estimate. Definitely a solid category 5 any way you slice it though.
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Just imagine what recon would have found in this. Dvorak trails big time when it comes to stronger storms.
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The NRL/FNMOC imagery is a bit colder than what other websites provide because they use the band 14 IR, not the band 13 IR that is chosen as the standard by JMA. Also, the NRL/FNMOC imagery is of 4km resolution while himawari-8 is of 2km.
The official reply from NRL is that the wavelength of the band 14 IR (11.2um) corresponds better to what is originally used in Dvorak 1984 (10.4um - 12.3um) than the band 13 IR (10.4um), and the Dvorak technique is designed for three-hourly satellite imagery with a resolution of 8km, hence the lower resolution used in the NRL/FNMOC imagery.
Yet, research conducted by JAXA shows that the band 13 IR is more consistent with MTSAT imagery than band 14. I’m not so sure about GOES-16 though (both satellites are designed by the same company), but IIRC a lower wavelength is used as the IR band as well.
Back to Jebi, I would say 145 - 150 knots is a reasonable intensity estimate now, a bit lower than what SATCON and AMSU indicate because such estimates are distorted by an RMW estimate that is likely too small.
The official reply from NRL is that the wavelength of the band 14 IR (11.2um) corresponds better to what is originally used in Dvorak 1984 (10.4um - 12.3um) than the band 13 IR (10.4um), and the Dvorak technique is designed for three-hourly satellite imagery with a resolution of 8km, hence the lower resolution used in the NRL/FNMOC imagery.
Yet, research conducted by JAXA shows that the band 13 IR is more consistent with MTSAT imagery than band 14. I’m not so sure about GOES-16 though (both satellites are designed by the same company), but IIRC a lower wavelength is used as the IR band as well.
Back to Jebi, I would say 145 - 150 knots is a reasonable intensity estimate now, a bit lower than what SATCON and AMSU indicate because such estimates are distorted by an RMW estimate that is likely too small.
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Re: WPAC: JEBI - Typhoon
Knaff 2009 also suggests T7.0 with a corresponding intensity estimate of 149 kt. 

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Re: WPAC: JEBI - Typhoon
cjrciadt wrote:
Compared to Megi? or I dont want to even say the same.
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Very useful information on the Dvorak Technique --
https://severe.worldweather.wmo.int/TCF ... kBeven.pdf
https://severe.worldweather.wmo.int/TCF ... kBeven.pdf
Re: WPAC: JEBI - Typhoon
Thinking looks a nice 160knots rounded off atm.
http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis ... display=24

https://imgur.com/5LjOqlV
http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis ... display=24

https://imgur.com/5LjOqlV
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Metop-B shows that the eyewall may be doubling up.


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Re: WPAC: JEBI - Typhoon
UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 9.0
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm
----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 31 AUG 2018
Time : 011000 UTC
Lat : 18:02:59 N
Lon : 143:50:23 E
CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
6.8 / 926.1mb/134.8kt
Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
6.8. 6.9 6.9
Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR : 18 km
Center Temp : +20.0C Cloud Region Temp : -74.9C
Scene Type : EYE
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 9.0
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm
----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 31 AUG 2018
Time : 011000 UTC
Lat : 18:02:59 N
Lon : 143:50:23 E
CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
6.8 / 926.1mb/134.8kt
Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
6.8. 6.9 6.9
Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR : 18 km
Center Temp : +20.0C Cloud Region Temp : -74.9C
Scene Type : EYE
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Re: WPAC: JEBI - Typhoon
mrbagyo wrote:UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 9.0
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm
----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 31 AUG 2018
Time : 011000 UTC
Lat : 18:02:59 N
Lon : 143:50:23 E
CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
6.8 / 926.1mb/134.8kt
Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
6.8. 6.9 6.9
Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR : 18 km
Center Temp : +20.0C Cloud Region Temp : -74.9C
Scene Type : EYE
Here's some Haiyan eye temp data to mull over when it was at its peak.

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Something tells me the CDO isn't going to abruptly get 10ºC colder though. : P
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1900hurricane wrote:Something tells me the CDO isn't going to abruptly get 10ºC colder though. : P
I dunno man, looks like a pretty legit T 8.0 to me...

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Re: WPAC: JEBI - Typhoon
Just needs a 7.5 photogenic beauty contest to go up to 155-160 knots.
Guesstimate.
Although it’s likely there.


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Highteeld wrote:1900hurricane wrote:Something tells me the CDO isn't going to abruptly get 10ºC colder though. : P
I dunno man, looks like a pretty legit T 8.0 to me...
Heh, I was lucky I wasn't drinking something when I saw that image.
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