ATL: MICHAEL - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2421 Postby pcolaman » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:16 pm

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pcolaman wrote:Ok guys , been watch for a few hours on the Goes 16 sat and I know this storm is supposed to be heading north but looking at both sat and radar it sure does look as if the storm is still moving towards the nnw more that the north. So given that into account, I would think that this will cause the track to adjust to the west some distance . Taking into a fact that the storm is moving at 12 mph and its still heading to the nnw. that would move landfall in the westerly direction about 40 miles or so. With that given , it would make landfall closer to the Fort Walton beach area. About40 miles to the west of Panama City. Could the fact that the front hasn't made it close enough toward the storm cause more of a northerly track? Just thinking out loud ..


There is still a west movement in the overall motion. Probably has to do with the massive area of convection on the western half. Pensacola isn’t going to receive a direct hit, but it might have a little more impacts if the west trend continues.



I was thinking the same. Storms can do weird things once they interact with fronts . imo
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2422 Postby bamajammer4eva » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:17 pm

pcolaman wrote:Ok guys , been watch for a few hours on the Goes 16 sat and I know this storm is supposed to be heading north but looking at both sat and radar it sure does look as if the storm is still moving towards the nnw more that the north. So given that into account, I would think that this will cause the track to adjust to the west some distance . Taking into a fact that the storm is moving at 12 mph and its still heading to the nnw. that would move landfall in the westerly direction about 40 miles or so. With that given , it would make landfall closer to the Fort Walton beach area. About40 miles to the west of Panama City. Could the fact that the front hasn't made it close enough toward the storm cause more of a northerly track? Just thinking out loud ..


00z run of GFS continued to show a west of due north heading through hour 6 bringing it to 27.4N/87.8W and still managed to landfall a few miles east of the 18z and has trended east all day so for those to the West hoping for a turn maybe it will be soon.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2423 Postby craptacular » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:18 pm

Now they are flying north away from the center, but still at operational altitude. Hope they're good on fuel. :)
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2424 Postby Blizzard96x » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:20 pm

Omg latest IR frames showing it ramping up again....
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2425 Postby Condor » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:21 pm

SFLcane wrote:Have asked myself the same questions the last day or two..

https://twitter.com/bradrousseau/status/1049826712266178560


Don't know how much truth there is to this , but I was told that the mid-level shear is what to watch when it comes to these storms?

Anybody here that can comment on this ?
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2426 Postby Jag95 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:22 pm

He's edging to the north and west of the latest plot and it does look like he's still got some west motion. I'd expect some flattening of the western periphery if he was feeling the front but I still don't see it. The front extends from the TX coast to NW MS now so you'd think it wouldn't be too much longer.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2427 Postby Jonny » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:23 pm

kthmcc7319 wrote:Where’s the turn?
(Nervous in Niceville)

I'm in Freeport.

The storm is making landfall in less than 24 hours, so even if it did move NW, there wouldn't be a huge change with the cone.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2428 Postby Sanibel » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:23 pm

I think this is peak because the continental air has gotten wrapped...


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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2429 Postby djones65 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:24 pm

Remember to all the residents of northwest Florida who are wobble watching... It means that you have a "near 70%" chance of getting the eye! Remember the cone is the zone in which 2/3 of all storms will traverse given our current limitations of tropical cyclone forecasting. If I am under a warning. I wouldn't discount it just because the center line is to the east. With a storm like this. why do you want to gamble. If the turn is delayed... Destin and Fort Walton take a beating... If it turns earlier... then Panama City to Apalachicola get leveled... This is NOT an exact science!!!
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2430 Postby USTropics » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:24 pm

It's possible they did not feel comfortable flying through the NE quad, Weathernerds satellite shows quite a few lightning strikes in the NE quad:

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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2431 Postby Highteeld » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:28 pm

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Very useful information on the Dvorak Technique --

https://severe.worldweather.wmo.int/TCF ... kBeven.pdf

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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2432 Postby Jonny » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:30 pm

djones65 wrote:Remember to all the residents of northwest Florida who are wobble watching... It means that you have a "near 70%" chance of getting the eye! Remember the cone is the zone in which 2/3 of all storms will traverse given our current limitations of tropical cyclone forecasting. If I am under a warning. I wouldn't discount it just because the center line is to the east. With a storm like this. why do you want to gamble. If the turn is delayed... Destin and Fort Walton take a beating... If it turns earlier... then Panama City to Apalachicola get leveled... This is NOT an exact science!!!

You're right.

May not be likely, but this storm has surprised people already, so anything is possible.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2433 Postby meriland29 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:31 pm

Having a hard time telling. Is he weakening, steady, or strengthening?
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2434 Postby MississippiWx » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:31 pm

Here comes the widespread -80C cloud tops overtaking the CDO again. Just unbelievable.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2435 Postby PavelGaborik10 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:31 pm

USTropics wrote:It's possible they did not feel comfortable flying through the NE quad, Weathernerds satellite shows quite a few lightning strikes in the NE quad:

https://i.imgur.com/zFN5Kym.gif


They've flown into worse.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2436 Postby Jag95 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:32 pm

Sanibel wrote:I think this is peak because the continental air has gotten wrapped...


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Just for the record, I concur.

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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2437 Postby utweather » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:32 pm

Jag95 wrote:He's edging to the north and west of the latest plot and it does look like he's still got some west motion. I'd expect some flattening of the western periphery if he was feeling the front but I still don't see it. The front extends from the TX coast to NW MS now so you'd think it wouldn't be too much longer.


Looking at a wind map I see the front farther back in west central Texas to central Oklahoma instead. Is my map wrong?
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2438 Postby MississippiWx » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:34 pm

USTropics wrote:It's possible they did not feel comfortable flying through the NE quad, Weathernerds satellite shows quite a few lightning strikes in the NE quad:

https://i.imgur.com/zFN5Kym.gif


This has to be the reasoning. I've never seen them purposely not sample to NE quadrant like they just did.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2439 Postby Hammy » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:35 pm

USTropics wrote:It's possible they did not feel comfortable flying through the NE quad, Weathernerds satellite shows quite a few lightning strikes in the NE quad:

https://i.imgur.com/zFN5Kym.gif


Also possible they were getting a moisture sample--the west half is where the dropsondes were recording the driest air earlier.
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Re: ATL: MICHAEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#2440 Postby Javlin » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:37 pm

The cloud structure has been all day a NW/NNW kinda gives you a short term time line of the direction.The cloud structure now points to AL/FL line almost due N with a slight tilt W...Many of the models do not start the kick R till 29.8' except the CMC(12Z) has it going in between Pensacola and Ft.Walton if my geography is correct Pensacola,Ft.Walton,Destin,San Destin then PC .It will make a difference as which side you are on as long as you are not in the EW be careful everyone.
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