ATL: FLORENCE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2641 Postby Maryellen46 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:27 pm

sicktght311 wrote:
opticsguy wrote:Never seen anything like this before. Metogram for Wilmington

http://magaimg.net/img/651y.jpg


Thats insane. Thats like 1" per hour for like 36 hours

And from what I’ve read a LOT of people are defying the evacuation orders and these people have the means to leave.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2642 Postby artist » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:30 pm

Maryellen46 wrote:
sicktght311 wrote:
opticsguy wrote:Never seen anything like this before. Metogram for Wilmington

http://magaimg.net/img/651y.jpg


Thats insane. Thats like 1" per hour for like 36 hours

And from what I’ve read a LOT of people are defying the evacuation orders and these people have the means to leave.

I really hate to hear that. People need to listen, if ordered, get out.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2643 Postby supercane4867 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:31 pm

The satellite presentation of Florence is becoming very impressive for this part of the world.

While no match for Mangkut, she's approaching the threshold of "Atlantic standard" CAT5 presentation.

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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2644 Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:34 pm

These storms so rarely live up to their intensity forecast, and I hope that's the case here. But, there's essentially no difference between a strong cat 2 and a medium cat 3 in terms of surge and overall experience if it weakens just before landfall.

Ike was "only a cat 2" at landfall and it remains the worst experience of my life.

The flooding combined with surge is going to be catastrophic if those rainfall numbers are even close to real.

I hope people don't stay put only to have to try and flee in a flood with hurricane force winds.

I am not a weather forecaster. I'm not smart enough to tie my shoes. Please rely on the national hurricane center products to make decisions.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2645 Postby ronyan » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:42 pm

Back to 140 mph / 945mb
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2646 Postby SunnyThoughts » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:43 pm

new advisory...140mph 945mb wnw @ 17mph
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2647 Postby Ubuntwo » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:44 pm

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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2648 Postby Blown Away » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:44 pm

The crazy Euro loop/stall then SW dive is pretty extreme up near NC's latitude @33N, Jeanne's loop height was @27N and Betsy was @30N. Is there any recent significant recon data that has been ingested to signal stronger HP?
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2649 Postby supercane4867 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:44 pm

NHC doesn't buy the loopy EC run yet
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2650 Postby artist » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:45 pm

Blown Away wrote:The crazy Euro loop/stall then SW dive is pretty extreme up near NC's latitude @33N, Jeanne's loop height was @27N and Betsy was @30N. Is there any recent significant recon data that has been ingested to signal stronger HP?

I know they took soundings earlier.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2651 Postby supercane4867 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:46 pm

Hurricane warnings issued for NC and SC coast

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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2652 Postby ncbird » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:48 pm

While there is much talk of the landfall strength of this force of Mother Nature, I would like to take a moment and remind everyone "Inland floods cause more damage annually than any other severe weather event—averaging $6.9 billion per year for the period 1976–2006. More than 60 percent of U.S. hurricane-caused deaths from 1970 to 1999 occurred in inland counties, with more than half of those deaths related to freshwater flooding." U.S Climate Resilence Toolkit https://toolkit.climate.gov/topics/coastal-flood-risk/inland-flooding

On the coast or inland, please don't take risks, be safe
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2653 Postby psyclone » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:51 pm

9-13' surge forecast for Onslow bay. Absolute nightmare
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Advisories

#2654 Postby cycloneye » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:52 pm

BULLETIN
Hurricane Florence Advisory Number 50
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL062018
500 PM AST Tue Sep 11 2018

...DANGEROUS FLORENCE EXPECTED TO BRING LIFE-THREATENING STORM
SURGE AND RAINFALL TO PORTIONS OF THE CAROLINAS AND MID-ATLANTIC...


SUMMARY OF 500 PM AST...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...27.5N 67.1W
ABOUT 360 MI...580 KM SSW OF BERMUDA
ABOUT 785 MI...1260 KM ESE OF CAPE FEAR NORTH CAROLINA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...140 MPH...220 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 300 DEGREES AT 17 MPH...28 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...945 MB...27.91 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

A Storm Surge Warning has been issued from South Santee
River, South Carolina, to Duck, North Carolina, and the Albemarle
and Pamlico Sounds, including the Neuse and Pamlico Rivers.

A Hurricane Warning has been issued from South Santee
River, South Carolina, to Duck, North Carolina, and the Albemarle
and Pamlico Sounds.

A Tropical Storm Watch has been issued from north of the North
Carolina/Virginia border to Cape Charles Light, Virginia, and for
the Chesapeake Bay south of New Point Comfort.



Hurricane Florence Discussion Number 49
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL062018
1100 AM AST Tue Sep 11 2018

Data from satellites and an Air Force Reserve reconnaissance
aircraft mission indicate that Florence has completed an overnight
eyewall replacement cycle (ERC). The recon data indicate that the
eye has now expanded to a diameter of 30-32 n mi, and this was
confirmed by an 1103Z SSMI/S microwave satellite image. The aircraft
provided various intensity estimates with a peak SFMR surface wind
of 113 kt noted in the northwest quadrant, a peak 700-mb
flight-level wind of 143 kt in the northeast quadrant, and a central
pressure of 950 mb. The 143-kt flight-level wind would normally
correlate to an equivalent surface wind of about 129 kt. However,
coincident SFMR surface winds were only 108 kt, indicating that the
weak convection that region of the hurricane was not vigorous enough
to bring down the strongest winds to the surface. The 950-mb central
pressures corespondents to about 113 kt. Based on a blend of all
these data, the initial intensity has been set to 115 kt.

The initial motion estimate is now 295/14 kt based on the recent
recon fix data. The broken record continues -- there is no
significant to the previous track forecast or reasoning. Although
the global and regional models continue to make minor shifts
northward and southward, the consensus models have changed little.
GOES-16 high-resolution water vapor imagery indicates that the
amplifying large-scale flow pattern across CONUS is inducing a
downstream ridge over the western Atlantic, with a high pressure
cell centered northwest of Bermuda. This blocking ridge pattern is
expected to keep Florence moving west-northwestward to northwest at
around 15 kt for the next 48 hours or so. However, embedded within
the large-scale flow is a weak shortwave trough over the central and
southern Plains that is expected to eject out northeastward and
weaken the ridging across the mid-Atlantic and southeastern U.S.,
causing Florence to slow down significantly in 72 hours as the
powerful hurricane approaches the Carolinas. On days 4 and 5, an
even slower motion or drift to the west and northwest is forecast,
which will exacerbate the heavy rainfall threat. The new NHC
forecast track is just an update of the previous one, and basically
lies the middle of the guidance envelope between the consensus
models TVCA to the north and HCCA and FSSE to the south.

Water vapor imagery indicates that Florence has finally developed
the much anticipated dual outflow pattern, with outflow jets noted
in the northwestern and eastern quadrants. The latter outflow jet is
flowing into an upper-level low, which is acting as an impressive
mass sink near 25N/49W. These two outflow channels are producing
significant deformation stretching across Florence's inner-core,
which should aid in the re-strengthening process. Now that the eye
has become stable with a diameter of about 30 n mi and since
Florence is expected to remain in a low-shear environment of around
5 kt and over above-average SSTs of 29.0-29.5 deg C, slow but steady
strengthening is expected for the next 24-36 hours. By 48 h and
beyond, Florence's slow forward speed, coupled with the large eye
and relatively shallow depth of the warm water should induce some
upwelling beneath the cyclone that will initiate a slow weakening
trend. By 72 hours the vertical wind shear is expected to increase
to near 20 kt from the southwest, which will cause more significant
weakening to occur. However, given the large overall wind field of
Florence along with the large eye, only gradual weakening is
expected. Once Florence moves inland, the slow forward speed of 3-5
kt will result in rapid spin down and weakening of the wind field.
The new official intensity forecast is above of all of the intensity
guidance based on the aforementioned very favorable synoptic outflow
pattern, and to maintain continuity with the previous forecast.

Key Messages:

1. A life-threatening storm surge is likely along portions of the
coastlines of South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia, and a
Storm Surge Watch is in effect for a portion of this area. All
interests from South Carolina into the mid-Atlantic region should
ensure they have their hurricane plan in place and follow any advice
given by local officials.

2. Life-threatening, catastrophic flash flooding and significant
river flooding is possible over portions of the Carolinas and
Mid-Atlantic states from late this week into early next week, as
Florence is expected to slow down as it approaches the coast and
moves inland.

3. Damaging hurricane-force winds are likely along portions of the
coasts of South Carolina and North Carolina, and a Hurricane Watch
is in effect for a part of this area. Damaging winds could also
spread well inland into portions of the Carolinas and Virginia.

4. Large swells affecting Bermuda and portions of the U.S. East
Coast will continue this week, resulting in life-threatening surf
and rip currents.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 11/1500Z 26.7N 65.3W 115 KT 130 MPH
12H 12/0000Z 27.7N 67.6W 120 KT 140 MPH
24H 12/1200Z 29.4N 70.6W 130 KT 150 MPH
36H 13/0000Z 31.1N 73.1W 130 KT 150 MPH
48H 13/1200Z 32.6N 75.2W 120 KT 140 MPH
72H 14/1200Z 34.2N 77.1W 105 KT 120 MPH
96H 15/1200Z 35.0N 78.1W 40 KT 45 MPH...INLAND
120H 16/1200Z 35.5N 79.5W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND

$$
Forecaster Stewart
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2655 Postby Hammy » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:55 pm

supercane4867 wrote:NHC doesn't buy the loopy EC run yet


They don't usually make drastic changes to the forecast track that far out from advisory to advisory. Even if they believe it you'll probably see a gradual adjustment southward as the time frame gets closer.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2656 Postby wxman57 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:55 pm

I'm glad I'm not a hurricane forecaster trying to figure out what Florence will do as it nears the NC coast. Wait, I am a hurricane forecaster! Shoot. My track doesn't look anything like the NHC track. I think the good forecasters there are scratching their heads too after seeing the latest EC & ensembles. They'll adjust the track southward overnight. I have it stalling near Cape Fear then moving west just inside the SC/NC border. No south of west movement, yet...
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2657 Postby dukeblue219 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:57 pm

The 5pm discussion is now live...
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2658 Postby ronyan » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:59 pm

Hurricane force winds out 60 miles from the center / 175 TS force.
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2659 Postby psyclone » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:59 pm

wxman57 wrote:I'm glad I'm not a hurricane forecaster trying to figure out what Florence will do as it nears the NC coast. Wait, I am a hurricane forecaster! Shoot. My track doesn't look anything like the NHC track. I think the good forecasters there are scratching their heads too after seeing the latest EC & ensembles. They'll adjust the track southward overnight. I have it stalling near Cape Fear then moving west just inside the SC/NC border. No south of west movement, yet...

Even though your tracks differ it sounds like your max surges would both still stack up in that Onslow bay region. what a scary situation..
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Re: ATL: FLORENCE - Hurricane - Discussion

#2660 Postby supercane4867 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:00 pm

NHC is back to forecasting 135kt peak intensity. That may happen sooner as early as this evening when recon arrives.
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