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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1541 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:46 pm

Texashawk wrote:I guess I’m still a little concerned in Texas since my met explained that the trough has lessened its effect and if Barry gets a lot stronger then the high pressure to the east which has been the dominant steering mechanism will be less so. Now that it finaly seems to be getting its act together, could it still continue on a WNW and affect LC/Golden Triangle more directly?


This is very true. the trough door is closed. only thing steering this is the low to mid level ridge to its east because it's stronger then the ridge to its NW.,,,
and if that ridge to the east weakens any then the track will shift probably due west or even SW.

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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1542 Postby GCANE » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:48 pm

IMHO, ideal conditions for intensification.
In this case, land interaction may be conducive for intensification since there is a large 4000 CAPE ridge stretching from Nashville to the MS River and down into Barry. Fuel for the fire.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1543 Postby SoupBone » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:48 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
Texashawk wrote:I guess I’m still a little concerned in Texas since my met explained that the trough has lessened its effect and if Barry gets a lot stronger then the high pressure to the east which has been the dominant steering mechanism will be less so. Now that it finaly seems to be getting its act together, could it still continue on a WNW and affect LC/Golden Triangle more directly?


This is very true. the trough door is closed. only thing steering this is the low to mid level ridge to its east because it's stronger then the ridge to its NW.,,,
and if that ridge to the east weakens any then the track will shift probably due west or even SW.



Then what is the NHC seeing that keeps it on its path? The ridge remaining stout?
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1544 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:50 pm

SoupBone wrote:
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Texashawk wrote:I guess I’m still a little concerned in Texas since my met explained that the trough has lessened its effect and if Barry gets a lot stronger then the high pressure to the east which has been the dominant steering mechanism will be less so. Now that it finaly seems to be getting its act together, could it still continue on a WNW and affect LC/Golden Triangle more directly?


This is very true. the trough door is closed. only thing steering this is the low to mid level ridge to its east because it's stronger then the ridge to its NW.,,,
and if that ridge to the east weakens any then the track will shift probably due west or even SW.



Then what is the NHC seeing that keeps it on its path? The ridge remaining stout?


yeppers the ridge to its east being stronger in the LOW to mid levels then the ridge to the NW.

mid to upper level ridging/steering

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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1545 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:52 pm

Interesting to watch how winds nearing hurricane-force are beginning to wrap around on the NE side of the storm, despite there being less convection. 70mph sustained winds on the SFMR were recorded just off Grand Isle.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1546 Postby BRweather » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:53 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
SoupBone wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:
This is very true. the trough door is closed. only thing steering this is the low to mid level ridge to its east because it's stronger then the ridge to its NW.,,,
and if that ridge to the east weakens any then the track will shift probably due west or even SW.



Then what is the NHC seeing that keeps it on its path? The ridge remaining stout?


yeppers the ridge to its east being stronger in the LOW to mid levels then the ridge to the NW.


Regardless if the trough door has closed there is still a weakness between the two ridges. It is a much easier path for the storm to take and Barry would have to strengthen rapidly for any upper level steering currents to play a role in pushing the storm more west.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1547 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:54 pm

my Leader cell is rounding the corner... should coincide with a burst of convection around the center.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1548 Postby Nederlander » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:55 pm

Looks like he will track straight up Vermilion Bay into New Iberia.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1549 Postby sphelps8681 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:59 pm

Barry dropped speed from 6 mph to 4mph.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1550 Postby TexasF6 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:00 pm

Elephant in the room...what if it does not turn north? Then what? Is this possible?
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1551 Postby Condor » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:00 pm

Forward speed went from 6 mph WNW to 4 mph WNW
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ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1552 Postby frank92171 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:00 pm

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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1553 Postby Stormcenter » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:01 pm

So Barry is stationary at 7pm per NHC....what's that in the cards?
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1554 Postby Stormcenter » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:02 pm

I believe stronger storms tend to move poleward eventually.

TexasF6 wrote:Elephant in the room...what if it does not turn north? Then what? Is this possible?
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1555 Postby northjaxpro » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:04 pm

BRweather wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:
SoupBone wrote:

Then what is the NHC seeing that keeps it on its path? The ridge remaining stout?


yeppers the ridge to its east being stronger in the LOW to mid levels then the ridge to the NW.


Regardless if the trough door has closed there is still a weakness between the two ridges. It is a much easier path for the storm to take and Barry would have to strengthen rapidly for any upper level steering currents to play a role in pushing the storm more west.


:uarrow: This. Barry will still drift into that weakness. It is just going to be a flooding nightmare across the Lower MS River as Barry and his remnants meander in the region the next few days.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1556 Postby SoupBone » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:05 pm

Stormcenter wrote:So Barry is stationary at 7pm per NHC....what's that in the cards?



Link? And no, if true, it was not.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1557 Postby Nederlander » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:06 pm

TexasF6 wrote:Elephant in the room...what if it does not turn north? Then what? Is this possible?


Like others have alluded to - Barry is not a deep system so it’s more influenced by low/mid-level steering. The ridge to the east is stronger at those levels than the one to the NW.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1558 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:07 pm

61 SFMR supports 60 so not sure why NHC stuck with 55.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1559 Postby TCu » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:09 pm

Regarding Radar, I would recommend using either RadarScope or GrLevel if you want to see something other than a low-res and likely composite image.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1560 Postby TexasF6 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:11 pm

First time seeing this in the NOLA Forecast Disco or any FD:

DECISION SUPPORT...

DSS code: Red.
Deployed: None.
Activation: None.
Activities: Tropical operations/Moderate to High Risk excessive rainfall/
Slight Risk severe weather/River flood warnings.

Decision Support Services (DSS) Code Legend
Green = No weather impacts that require action.
Blue = Long-fused watch, warning, or advisory in effect or high
visibility event; Marginal risk severe or excessive rain.
Yellow = Heightened impacts with short-fused watch, warning or
advisory issuances; radar support for slight risk severe
or excessive rain.
Orange = High Impacts; Enhanced risk severe; nearby tropical events;
HazMat or other large episodes.
Red = Full engagement for Moderate to high risk of severe and/or
excessive rainfall, or direct tropical threats; Events of
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