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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3141 Postby johngaltfla » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:51 am

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tgenius wrote:So what is the confidence that it will be the WPB area and not lower? Miami to WPB is only 70 miles.

Has the shift west started officially and not a wobble?


In my humble opinion landfall (bar some major steering changes) will be between Pompano Beach and Ft.Pierce.


Boca, I think that high pressure builds a tad more than forecast and today's flights will either confirm the current forecast or my theory, moving the storm just a tad further south.

I'm thinking 1947 or 1926 unfortunately, and neither were good for my state.
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3142 Postby sponger » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:55 am

The evac is going to be an absolute zoo. Reco try local in a sturdy hotel or leave at midnight. You do not want to sit in stop and go for 12 hours. Hell, Key West is not a bad idea. Should be far enough South to avoid the worst, even a Miami hit. If anyone needs a room I am cancelling my Embassy Suites Yamato rd. Sleeps 6. PM me if it helps.
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3143 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:59 am

Hurricane Dorian Discussion Number 24
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL052019
500 AM AST Fri Aug 30 2019

There hasn't been a lot of new data since the Hurricane Hunter
planes departed Dorian several hours ago. The convective pattern
on infrared satellite imagery has been nearly steady state,
although the latest Dvorak estimates from TAFB and SAB rose to
T5.0/90 kt. These estimates, combined with the earlier aircraft
data, support maintaining an initial intensity of 90 kt.

Dorian's heading is very gradually turning toward the left, with
the latest estimate northwestward, or 320 degrees at 10 kt. Dorian
is now being steered between a mid-tropospheric high centered near
Bermuda and a mid-/upper-level low located over the Bahamas. The
high is expected to expand westward, with a blocking ridge becoming
established over the western Atlantic during the next several days.
With the exception of COAMPS-TC and HMON, the other reliable models
are in excellent agreement through day 3, with Dorian turning
westward south of the ridge and moving near or over the
northernmost islands in the Bahamas Sunday and Monday. After day
3, steering currents collapse as a break develops in the ridge, and
Dorian will likely slow down considerably as it approaches the
Florida peninsula. There is more spread among the deterministic
models and their ensemble members during that time, with
disagreement on exactly when and where Dorian will turn
northwestward and northward on days 4 and 5. That being said, the
tracks of the simple and corrected consensus models on this cycle
did not warrant much change to the official NHC forecast, with
perhaps just a slight southward adjustment on days 3 and 4. The
biggest concern will be Dorian's slow motion when it is near
Florida, placing some areas of the state at an increasing risk of a
prolonged, drawn-out event of strong winds, dangerous storm surge,
and heavy rainfall.

The upper-level low to the west of Dorian continues to impart some
southwesterly shear over the hurricane, which has prevented it from
strengthening rapidly. However, Dorian is expected to enter a more
favorable upper-level environment during the next 24 hours, which
should allow its structure to become more well developed. Although
overall the environment ahead of the storm appears conducive for
strengthening, some models (in particular the ECMWF) suggest that
some northerly shear could come into play while Dorian moves
through the northwestern Bahamas, and for that reason the NHC
official intensity forecast is not quite as bullish as the HCCA,
Florida State Superensemble, and HWRF models. Still, Dorian is
forecast to become a dangerous major hurricane later and maintain
that status as it heads for the northwestern Bahamas and the
Florida peninsula.


Key Messages:

1. A Hurricane Watch is now in effect for the northwestern Bahamas,
where the risk of life-threatening storm surge and hurricane-force
winds this weekend has continued to increase. Residents should
begin to execute their hurricane plans and listen to advice given
by local emergency officials.

2. There is an increasing likelihood of a prolonged period of
hazardous weather conditions that could last for a couple of days
in parts of Florida early next week.

3. The risk of life-threatening storm surge along portions of the
Florida east coast has increased, although it is too soon to
determine where the highest storm surge will occur. The risk of
devastating hurricane-force winds along the Florida east coast and
peninsula early next week has also increased, although it is too
soon to determine where the strongest winds will occur. Residents
should have their hurricane plan in place, know if they are in a
hurricane evacuation zone, and listen to advice given by local
emergency officials.

4. Regardless of the exact track of Dorian, heavy rains are expected
to occur over portions of the Bahamas, Florida, and elsewhere in the
southeastern United States this weekend and into the middle of next
week.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 30/0900Z 23.8N 69.1W 90 KT 105 MPH
12H 30/1800Z 24.8N 70.3W 100 KT 115 MPH
24H 31/0600Z 25.6N 72.0W 105 KT 120 MPH
36H 31/1800Z 26.1N 73.8W 110 KT 125 MPH
48H 01/0600Z 26.4N 75.5W 115 KT 130 MPH
72H 02/0600Z 26.7N 78.3W 120 KT 140 MPH
96H 03/0600Z 26.9N 80.1W 115 KT 130 MPH...INLAND
120H 04/0600Z 28.1N 81.4W 65 KT 75 MPH...INLAND

$$
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3144 Postby CronkPSU » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:59 am

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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3145 Postby Jr0d » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:02 am

sponger wrote:The evac is going top be an absolute zoo. Reco try local in a sturdy hotel or leave at midnight. You do not want to sit in stop and go for 12 hours. Hell, Key West is not a bad idea. Should be far enough South to avoid the worst, even a Miami hit.


I know a lot of people who are going to Key West. There have been a ton of cancellations here as a result of Dorian hype but it is much more expensive than the rest of the state for a room.

I bartend in Key West. I'm sure we will figure out a drink special or a discount for evacuees.
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3146 Postby sponger » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:02 am

Finally some hope. Talk of possible shear could be a godsend. It's not much but better than nothing. Rainfall totals will be apocalyptic regardless.

"Although
overall the environment ahead of the storm appears conducive for
strengthening, some models (in particular the ECMWF) suggest that
some northerly shear could come into play while Dorian moves
through the northwestern Bahamas, and for that reason the NHC
official intensity forecast is not quite as bullish as the HCCA"
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3147 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:04 am

Hurricane watch up for the Bahamas:
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3148 Postby somethingfunny » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:10 am

sponger wrote:Finally some hope. Talk of possible shear could be a godsend. It's not much but better than nothing. Rainfall totals will be apocalyptic regardless.


I noticed that. Reminds me of Frances ... But then again this storm has been consistently surpassing my expectations so far so I wouldn't bank on it weakening.
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3149 Postby caneman » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:11 am

sponger wrote:Finally some hope. Talk of possible shear could be a godsend. It's not much but better than nothing. Rainfall totals will be apocalyptic regardless.


That is just the Euro and only minimal, they mention the FSU super ensemble and HWRF show no shear and are expecting a devastating hurricane. I'm putting more weight into what the FSU super ensemble is saying.
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3150 Postby robbielyn » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:12 am

Jr0d wrote:
sponger wrote:The evac is going top be an absolute zoo. Reco try local in a sturdy hotel or leave at midnight. You do not want to sit in stop and go for 12 hours. Hell, Key West is not a bad idea. Should be far enough South to avoid the worst, even a Miami hit.


I know a lot of people who are going to Key West. There have been a ton of cancellations here as a result of Dorian hype but it is much more expensive than the rest of the state for a room.

I bartend in Key West. I'm sure we will figure out a drink special or a discount for evacuees.

hi bartender? i would like the Dorian Daquari please. And one for my friend.
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3151 Postby KWT » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:17 am

sponger wrote:Finally some hope. Talk of possible shear could be a godsend. It's not much but better than nothing. Rainfall totals will be apocalyptic regardless.

"Although
overall the environment ahead of the storm appears conducive for
strengthening, some models (in particular the ECMWF) suggest that
some northerly shear could come into play while Dorian moves
through the northwestern Bahamas, and for that reason the NHC
official intensity forecast is not quite as bullish as the HCCA"


Yeah looking at the ECM there is some shear BUT its really not that disruptive and only leads to a slight weakeninng and it then resumes some strengthening on the ECM until its just 6hrs offshore (then probably get some land induced weakening begin).

As you say for most of Florida though the rainfall amounts maybe a bigger risk outside of the core wind zone.
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3152 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:18 am

Dorian's visible and night time imagery looks unique due to SW shear limiting banding to the south.
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For some reason it reminds of a particular hurricane... or a typhoon or a southern hemisphere cyclone. I can't recall which one. Haiyan?
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Disclaimer: I'm only comparing its APPEARANCE not actual strength nor am I predicting it will reach Haiyan's strength.
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3153 Postby Jr0d » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:24 am

Hopefully watches and warnings will.not be issued for the Florida unless necessary. Hotels are not allowed to sell rooms and must kick everyone out if Hurricane watch is issued.

Given that Key West may be a 'safe spot', I really hope the emergency operations people take this into consideration before they issue evacuations.
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3154 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:27 am

What's the point of these high resolution microwave sensors if they keep missing the biggest meteorological threat on the planet presently.
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3155 Postby CronkPSU » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:31 am

Jr0d wrote:Hopefully watches and warnings will.not be issued for the Florida unless necessary. Hotels are not allowed to sell rooms and must kick everyone out if Hurricane watch is issued.

Given that Key West may be a 'safe spot', I really hope the emergency operations people take this into consideration before they issue evacuations.


i am confused by this post, why do you think the NHC would issue unnecessary watches and warnings, they are real good at their job and if conditions warrant watches and warning they will post them as scientifically necessary and not based on hotel accommodations, local emergency officials do not need to be saving people from high rise hotels during tropical storm and hurricane conditions or others who didn't evacuate....after seeing Michael's rapid intensification last year I would hope everyone heeds those orders even if it doesn't look like "it will be too bad"
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3156 Postby Stormi » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:37 am

Hopefully there's no mandatory evacuations where we're at...we just moved in in May - we'd be staying put as we don't have the money. :eek:
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#3157 Postby sponger » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:50 am

Stormi wrote:Hopefully there's no mandatory evacuations where we're at...we just moved in in May - we'd be staying put as we don't have the money. :eek:



Storm surge for a major is pretty minimal due to the thin shelf offshore. If your near these areas than a shelter is the way to go.

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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3158 Postby SkeetoBite » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:57 am

Stormi wrote:Hopefully there's no mandatory evacuations where we're at...we just moved in in May - we'd be staying put as we don't have the money. :eek:


Don't worry. Just plan to use a local shelter if you are ordered to evacuate. These are free, safe and well stocked to support the expected number of people in your immediate area.

Do not ignore an order to evacuate and follow the directions of your local emergency management personnel.
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3159 Postby jhpigott » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:58 am

sponger wrote:
Stormi wrote:Hopefully there's no mandatory evacuations where we're at...we just moved in in May - we'd be staying put as we don't have the money. :eek:



Storm surge for a major is pretty minimal due to the thin shelf offshore. If your near these areas than a shelter is the way to go.

https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/ ... _mom5h.png


Yes, this part of the SE FL coast line is not going to be as prone to surge. However, this is some bad timing as we are currently experiencing "King Tides".
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Re: ATL: DORIAN - Hurricane - Discussion

#3160 Postby northjaxpro » Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:02 am

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Kingarabian wrote:Some deep cold tops of about -80C have been occasionally going off near the center. Other than that, it looks the same as it did a few hours ago when recon was inside of it. So I would say its leveled off and taking a break. As that ULL moves away or weakens, tomorrow I'm expecting Dorian to reach MH status.


Yeah I argee with you KingArabian. Once that ULL to its west moves away taking what remaining inhibiting shear away with it , Dorian will be a major by tomorrow.
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