ATL: DORIAN - Post-Tropical - Discussion

[GCANE]

Recon should be posting a new VDM shortly.
Last VDM, 1.75 hrs ago indicated eyewall was open to the SW.

[tolakram]

It appears Storm2K was quoted as part of the false information that Josh was ok.

TWITTER IS NOT NEWS. Please take care with what information you post and try and confirm legitimacy. There is so much false information on twitter about every subject, hurricanes and storm recovery included. Treat posting tweets as you would any other source.

[tolakram]

I do not know if this is appropriate, so please mods remove it if it isn't (and please forgive me if I'm adding to your workload with this). I know many of us have a huge weight on our hearts looking at what transpires from the Bahamas. If you're willing to help, there's a group on facebook called Abaco Relief, organized by the S Fl fishing community, people with a huge heart, who have in the past successfully organized relief missions for different humanitarian needs. Good friends know them; they are putting all their names and phone numbers there so people can call them directly if they need to. They know what they are doing, and how to get things over. They are collecting both goods, and money (to help with transportation costs). Their first ship leaves Saturday. On their fb page, you will find the drop off locations, along with lists of what is needed. Side Note: it is on this page that names of people who've been found are posted, and I have to say I also saw Josh Morgerman's name as one of the disappeared, yet to be found, person. Lord have mercy!

This sounds great but I would urge everyone to be very careful with popup relief groups with good intentions. We hear about this every storm, sometimes good, many times bad. Many times it's not done out of malice but rather lack of organization and/or inexperience with coordinating relief efforts.

[supercane4867]

Josh was at Central Abaco Primary School when Dorian made landfall. Last time we knew about him was a tweet on September 1 at 11:42am.

I did a search on this school and the structure seems to be sturdy, but it's single floor thus likely has been flooded due to low elevation. There's really no guaranteed safety by staying here

[toad strangler]

Josh was at Central Abaco Primary School when Dorian made landfall. Last time we knew about him was a tweet on September 1 at 11:42am.

I did a search on this school and the structure seems to be sturdy, but it's single floor thus likely has been flooded due to low elevation. There's really no guaranteed safety by staying here

https://i.imgur.com/hjsz0RX.jpg

25 ft above sea level or there about. Josh mentioned it was on top of a small hill. Everybody relax. If I had a nickel for every time he went into an extended black out period after landfall....

[Bluehawk]

I do not know if this is appropriate, so please mods remove it if it isn't (and please forgive me if I'm adding to your workload with this). I know many of us have a huge weight on our hearts looking at what transpires from the Bahamas. If you're willing to help, there's a group on facebook called Abaco Relief, organized by the S Fl fishing community, people with a huge heart, who have in the past successfully organized relief missions for different humanitarian needs. Good friends know them; they are putting all their names and phone numbers there so people can call them directly if they need to. They know what they are doing, and how to get things over. They are collecting both goods, and money (to help with transportation costs). Their first ship leaves Saturday. On their fb page, you will find the drop off locations, along with lists of what is needed. Side Note: it is on this page that names of people who've been found are posted, and I have to say I also saw Josh Morgerman's name as one of the disappeared, yet to be found, person. Lord have mercy!

This sounds great but I would urge everyone to be very careful with popup relief groups with good intentions. We hear about this every storm, sometimes good, many times bad. Many times it's not done out of malice but rather lack of organization and/or inexperience with coordinating relief efforts.

Absolutely! That's why I mentioned that anyone wishing to verify, they are able to, because they are very transparent. And, since this is more for people from S FL, I am sure many who enjoy fishing already know these kind people - they are very well known captains. I never ever send / give anything to a charitable organization without doing my due-diligence. Everyone should do the same.

[BlowHard]

After seeing what PR went through after Hurricanes Irma and Maria, I want to stress that non government relief agencies are your LAST good option for relief efforts. You send five boats over to the Bahamas with supplies and you have an unorganized relief effort, possibly never reaching those in most need. You have the crew of those five boats needing limited resources, ie water, food, GAS, etc. These kinds of relief efforts are a MINUS and not a plus. Find a good relief agency and send MONEY. It's great to want to help but there are already heros who do this and they have done it many times...as part of a well organized relief organization. You and your sailboat are not the answer....They need PLANE LOADS of relief items, not boat loads.

[GCANE]

 https://twitter.com/RebeccaRambar/status/1168610491859685377

[Sanibel]

Grand Bahama 30 hours in the core...

[Bluehawk]

After seeing what PR went through after Hurricanes Irma and Maria, I want to stress that non government relief agencies are your LAST good option for relief efforts. You send five boats over to the Bahamas with supplies and you have an unorganized relief effort, possibly never reaching those in most need. You have the crew of those five boats needing limited resources, ie water, food, GAS, etc. Find a good relief agency and send MONEY. It's great to want to help but there are already heros who do this and they have done it many times...as part of a well organized relief organization. You and your sailboat are not the answer....They need PLANE LOADS of relief items, not boat loads.

This is not what this is. From the page: " My name is Capt. Richard Peeples. This is my third time doing relief efforts for all our friends in the Bahamas. My first time was several years ago when Hurricane Floyd went through the Abacos. 4 years ago, I spearheaded relief efforts for San Salvador when Hurricane Joaquin went through there. We raised 250K for San Salvador. I have partnered up with the people listed above for our efforts this time. We will being getting donation of supplies and money to ship supplies directly into the Abacos. We are trying to take care of everyone in the Bahamas. We have already contracted with Seacor shipping and have our first shipment going over on Sat. This is a massive under taking by a bunch of people willing to give our time and resources to help. If you feel this isn't for you then please, don't give to our cause. There are numerous others popping up everywhere. But please don't hamper our efforts. The people of Abaco need our help and we're going to get it to them quickly. We are also working with the Church of God national in the US to get supplies and items over to Abaco."
I do not wish to get into any controversy. As one of the mods has stated, everyone should do their own due diligence. For what's worth it, one of the things I always check, when giving to a humanitarian organization is their overhead. A lot is to be said about government relief agencies in other countries, but this is not the place. I am not advocating for one or for another and anyone should do their own research. Info is all I wanted to give.

[tolakram]

Please verify sources people. REPORT if you see a false source instead of replying, makes our jobs easier.

[caneman]

After seeing what PR went through after Hurricanes Irma and Maria, I want to stress that non government relief agencies are your LAST good option for relief efforts. You send five boats over to the Bahamas with supplies and you have an unorganized relief effort, possibly never reaching those in most need. You have the crew of those five boats needing limited resources, ie water, food, GAS, etc. These kinds of relief efforts are a MINUS and not a plus. Find a good relief agency and send MONEY. It's great to want to help but there are already heros who do this and they have done it many times...as part of a well organized relief organization. You and your sailboat are not the answer....They need PLANE LOADS of relief items, not boat loads.

I've also seen fraud at the highest levels and a slow moving train from said organizations and or governments. I see nothing wrong with organized groups of people helping. See the Cajun Navy as an example. Often times these groups can and do help with immediate relief and help. I've seen both sides of it. As the mods said, do your vetting first.

[TheStormExpert]

Josh was at Central Abaco Primary School when Dorian made landfall. Last time we knew about him was a tweet on September 1 at 11:42am.

I did a search on this school and the structure seems to be sturdy, but it's single floor thus likely has been flooded due to low elevation. There's really no guaranteed safety by staying here

https://i.imgur.com/hjsz0RX.jpg

Hopefully he just doesn't have service and all including him are safe and sound!

[GCANE]

 https://twitter.com/TropicalTidbits/status/1168891642155323394

[toad strangler]

Outer band coming into Treasure Coast now

[ronjon]

I can’t tell If it’s wobbled west or it’s just the eye opening up on the western side...

Looks on radar now to be moving W-NW - maybe the movement that NHC was predicting last night to happen by this am. Or it just could be stair-stepping NW - more bands will likely come ashore now on the east coast.

https://www.wunderground.com/radar/us/fl/key-west/mlb

[GCANE]

VDM just in
Eye diameter 40nm, open SW
957mb
Warm core: 7C @ 700mb
Dewpoint: 10C @ 700mb

[plasticup]

After seeing what PR went through after Hurricanes Irma and Maria, I want to stress that non government relief agencies are your LAST good option for relief efforts. You send five boats over to the Bahamas with supplies and you have an unorganized relief effort, possibly never reaching those in most need. You have the crew of those five boats needing limited resources, ie water, food, GAS, etc. Find a good relief agency and send MONEY. It's great to want to help but there are already heros who do this and they have done it many times...as part of a well organized relief organization. You and your sailboat are not the answer....They need PLANE LOADS of relief items, not boat loads.

This is not what this is. From the page: " My name is Capt. Richard Peeples. This is my third time doing relief efforts for all our friends in the Bahamas. My first time was several years ago when Hurricane Floyd went through the Abacos. 4 years ago, I spearheaded relief efforts for San Salvador when Hurricane Joaquin went through there. We raised 250K for San Salvador. I have partnered up with the people listed above for our efforts this time. We will being getting donation of supplies and money to ship supplies directly into the Abacos. We are trying to take care of everyone in the Bahamas. We have already contracted with Seacor shipping and have our first shipment going over on Sat. This is a massive under taking by a bunch of people willing to give our time and resources to help. If you feel this isn't for you then please, don't give to our cause. There are numerous others popping up everywhere. But please don't hamper our efforts. The people of Abaco need our help and we're going to get it to them quickly. We are also working with the Church of God national in the US to get supplies and items over to Abaco."
I do not wish to get into any controversy. As one of the mods has stated, everyone should do their own due diligence. For what's worth it, one of the things I always check, when giving to a humanitarian organization is their overhead. A lot is to be said about government relief agencies in other countries, but this is not the place. I am not advocating for one or for another and anyone should do their own research. Info is all I wanted to give.

This sounds like exactly the sort of well-intentioned amateur efforts that established agencies agree interfere with and sometimes detract from disaster relief. NPR has a very thoughtful article about this from Hurricane Harvey that I think you would really enjoy. The most common failures of amateur efforts are poor coordination with other resources, a narrow scope (failing to deliver what is needed to where is it needed most), and especially a failure to support long-term recovery. You may not like that more formal organizations spend money on "overhead," but that spending often makes sure that the aid is delivered efficiently, effectively, and sustainably. Money spent on planning is not money wasted.

As you say, perhaps we should break this discussion out into a separate disaster-relief thread. I think that has been done in the past for similarly catastrophic storms.

edit: In the interest of not derailing this thread any further, I am not going to reply to those disagreeing with me. I've said my piece, and the experts have said theirs. If you want to ignore their advice that is your prerogative.

[GCANE]

[tolakram]

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