ATL: BARRY - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#921 Postby Senobia » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:40 pm

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Yup, that is the issue right now with Barry.
It's UL dry air combined with a 200mb Vort (UL PV Anomaly)
This creates sinking air and skews Barry's LL Vorts away from it, in this case to the west.

However, this feature has some moisture starting to build in it.
Very likely afternoon popups will significantly erode this and allow Barry to snap back and intensify.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/1841/4agO99.png


So, what's that large, circular area south of the TX/LA border? Just a part of Barry?
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#922 Postby GCANE » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:42 pm

Senobia wrote:
GCANE wrote:


Yup, that is the issue right now with Barry.
It's UL dry air combined with a 200mb Vort (UL PV Anomaly)
This creates sinking air and skews Barry's LL Vorts away from it, in this case to the west.

However, this feature has some moisture starting to build in it.
Very likely afternoon popups will significantly erode this and allow Barry to snap back and intensify.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/1841/4agO99.png


So, what's that large, circular area south of the TX/LA border? Just a part of Barry?


Remnants of a strong Hot Tower.
Pretty far away from the center of Barry.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#923 Postby Airboy » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:45 pm

Looks like the center has moved a bit SE from recon data? or?
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#924 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:45 pm

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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#925 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:49 pm

Recon flew threw previous center fixes and found se to east winds.. so a new center is somewhere to the west.. or maybe the larger vort will rotate down and take all the rotational energy with it and take hold farther south into convection. If it does add in the fact the trough is no longer digging and barry is in a classic CoL situation would start leading to the ukmet solution.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#926 Postby crimi481 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:51 pm

Am I crazy to think Barry goes N.E.?
https://weather.cod.edu/satrad/?parms=c ... =undefined
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#927 Postby birddogsc » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:52 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:Recon flew threw previous center fixes and found se to east winds.. so a new center is somewhere to the west.. or maybe the larger vort will rotate down and take all the rotational every with it and take hold farther south into convection. If it does add in the fact the trough is no longer digging and barry is in a classic CoL situation would start leading to the ukmet solution.

CoL?
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#928 Postby Nederlander » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:52 pm

crimi481 wrote:Am I crazy to think Barry goes N.E.?
https://weather.cod.edu/satrad/?parms=c ... =undefined

Well, I mean currently the center is diving SW... :double:
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#929 Postby Tireman4 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:53 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:Recon flew threw previous center fixes and found se to east winds.. so a new center is somewhere to the west.. or maybe the larger vort will rotate down and take all the rotational every with it and take hold farther south into convection. If it does add in the fact the trough is no longer digging and barry is in a classic CoL situation would start leading to the ukmet solution.



Maybe..maybe..maybe..the UKMET was onto something and not sniffing glue..LOL...We shall see
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#930 Postby wxman57 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:01 pm

GCANE wrote:Swirl popped one.


Nah, that's not the center. It's the little swirl that moved SW past the mouth of the Mississippi a few hours ago. There really isn't a well-defined center, just a central point between all the little eddies. that makes it very hard to strengthen. Here's a sat pic with red crosshairs where the center may be. It's east of that little vortex that's now rotating southward.

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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#931 Postby gfsperpendicular » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:05 pm

That little tower over the exposed swirl is already dissipating, torn apart by shear.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#932 Postby SootyTern » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:08 pm




so what we have here is a typical early season classic triple-vortex eyesore?
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#933 Postby Aric Dunn » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:09 pm

gfsperpendicular wrote:That little tower over the exposed swirl is already dissipating, torn apart by shear.


It needs to be wstched now as it bottoms out in the dee convection later well to the south. Its large enough that it might take hold
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#934 Postby tarheelprogrammer » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:09 pm

This is where I see the new center at, or at least the likely relocation of a center:

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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#935 Postby wxman57 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:11 pm

SootyTern wrote:


so what we have here is a typical early season classic triple-vortex eyesore?


That's pretty much it, for now. Claudette looked like that across the south-central Gulf in 2003. Eventually, one of the rotating vortices took over and convection built around it. Claudette was strengthening quite quickly when it reached the Texas coast. With all that dry air to Barry's north, I don't think it'll "pull a Claudette".
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#936 Postby Nederlander » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:11 pm

tarheelprogrammer wrote:This is where I see the new center at, or at least the likely relocation of a center:

https://i.ibb.co/nDzMbs1/Center-Of-Barry.png

Was just about to post this. Let’s see if that swirl doesn't get pulled into that convection and establish itself.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#937 Postby wxman57 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:12 pm

tarheelprogrammer wrote:This is where I see the new center at, or at least the likely relocation of a center:

https://i.ibb.co/nDzMbs1/Center-Of-Barry.png


Too far south. It's in that clear area to the north a bit - maybe a little south of the red crosshairs on the image I posted. Maybe 27.7 or 27.8N.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#938 Postby ColdMiser123 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:13 pm

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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#939 Postby gfsperpendicular » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:15 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
gfsperpendicular wrote:That little tower over the exposed swirl is already dissipating, torn apart by shear.


It needs to be wstched now as it bottoms out in the dee convection later well to the south. Its large enough that it might take hold


Convection is thriving just a little bit south of that swirl (new band is popping up around 90W, 27.5N) and the swirl itself has been losing a fair bit of latitude recently. Looks like it's about to cross 28N.
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Re: ATL: BARRY - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#940 Postby hriverajr » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:15 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
gfsperpendicular wrote:That little tower over the exposed swirl is already dissipating, torn apart by shear.


It needs to be wstched now as it bottoms out in the dee convection later well to the south. Its large enough that it might take hold


I agree with you, there is a chance it becomes dominant.
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