ATL: JERRY - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#61 Postby sma10 » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:49 pm

LarryWx wrote:From 1960 through 2018, there were 33 T.S.+'s that were first declared a T.D.+ east of 55W and south of 20N within the interval of 9/15-9/25.

Here are the formation dates:
9/19/1963, 9/16/1965, 9/21/1966**, 9/20/1969, 9/21/1971, 9/18/1975, 9/22/1975, 9/21/1981, 9/15/1984, 9/16/1985**, 9/19/1988, 9/16/1989, 9/21/1990, 9/21/1994, 9/24/1996, 9/15/1998**, 9/19/1998, 9/21/1998, 9/21/2000, 9/25/2000, 9/21/2002**, 9/25/2003, 9/16/2004, 9/19/2004, 9/17/2005, 9/25/2007, 9/20/2010, 9/20/2011, 9/24/2011, 9/18/2015, 9/19/2016, 9/16/2017, and 9/22/2018

** = the 4 that later hit the CONUS

So, 4 of these 33 later hit the CONUS or 12% of them. The rest either missed or dissipated in the open ocean. A decent number actually dissipated.

The 4 that hit:
1. Inez (1966): 9/21 genesis ~10N, 35W; hit FL Keys
2. Gloria (1985): 9/16 genesis ~13N, 24W; hit NC OB, NE US
3. Georges (1998): 9/15 genesis ~10N, 25W; hit FL Keys, MS/AL/FL Panhandle
4. Lili (2002): 9/21 genesis ~10N, 45W; hit LA

Will TD #10 be the 5th since 1960 and add to the 12% that hit? I still highly doubt it and this feeling is supported by the 12Z ICON, UKMET, GFS, Legacy, and CMC. But I'll obviously continue to watch since this is far from a done deal being this far out.


Statistically speaking, I guess there are two ways to look at this Larry. Climatology and current model trends definitely support a harmless recurve. Statistically though, 1 out of every 8 of these buggers hit the CONUS, but the last 12 in a row haven't. We're overdue.
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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#62 Postby wx98 » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:51 pm

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:I wonder which will get "Imelda" first, this system or 11L.

11L just jumped line and took Imelda in the Gulf. Guess this will be the J storm...
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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#63 Postby FireRat » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:07 pm

Wow, so this will possibly become Jerry now!
Looks like this will be the most interesting Jerry to watch, unlike its past short-lived versions.
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#64 Postby NotSparta » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:13 pm

AnnularCane wrote:What happened to the floater on Tropical Tidbits?


Yeah my site dropped it for a bit as well, seems that there's a time period on the active storm data source drops the invest before it activates the renumbered storm
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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#65 Postby AnnularCane » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:25 pm

NotSparta wrote:
AnnularCane wrote:What happened to the floater on Tropical Tidbits?


Yeah my site dropped it for a bit as well, seems that there's a time period on the active storm data source drops the invest before it activates the renumbered storm


That crossed my mind too, but I don't remember seeing it do that before. Oh well, it's back now.
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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#66 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:29 pm

Kind of glad this one isn't going to snag the "I" name -- Jerry isn't that threatening sounding :)

Imelda sounds like it might be nasty for Texas though.
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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#67 Postby msbee » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:22 pm

I just hope this one heads north. way north
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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#68 Postby Abdullah » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:27 pm

chris_fit wrote:When is recon due to arrive into this thing?


It's pretty far into the ocean. Does recon fly out of the Leeward Islands?
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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#69 Postby Kazmit » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:31 pm

Abdullah wrote:
chris_fit wrote:When is recon due to arrive into this thing?


It's pretty far into the ocean. Does recon fly out of the Leeward Islands?

I don't think they would need recon since it's not supposed to affect land for the next few days.
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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#70 Postby Ubuntwo » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:34 pm

Kazmit wrote:
Abdullah wrote:
chris_fit wrote:When is recon due to arrive into this thing?


It's pretty far into the ocean. Does recon fly out of the Leeward Islands?

I don't think they would need recon since it's not supposed to affect land for the next few days.

Yep, recon doesn't start until Thursday

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A. FIX TD 10 AT 19/1500Z NEAR 16.6N 53.8W AND THEN BEGIN
          6-HRLY FIXES AT 19/2330Z.
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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#71 Postby gatorcane » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:11 pm

Recurve away from US looks to be a good bet still. The semi-permanent east coast trough has returned. For US threats, something would need to get into the WCAR or Gulf.
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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#72 Postby Abdullah » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:42 pm

gatorcane wrote:Recurve away from US looks to be a good bet still. The semi-permanent east coast trough has returned. For US threats, something would need to get into the WCAR or Gulf.


May you please translate in layman's terms?
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#73 Postby StruThiO » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:54 pm

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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#76 Postby AtlanticWind » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:27 pm

Abdullah wrote:
gatorcane wrote:Recurve away from US looks to be a good bet still. The semi-permanent east coast trough has returned. For US threats, something would need to get into the WCAR or Gulf.


May you please translate in layman's terms?


He saying a trough ,i.e. weakness will likely steer the system away from the U.S.
Also saying a threat to the U.S. would be more likely if something forms
in the western carribean sea(under cuba) or in the gulf of mexico
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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#77 Postby Abdullah » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:31 pm

AtlanticWind wrote:
Abdullah wrote:
gatorcane wrote:Recurve away from US looks to be a good bet still. The semi-permanent east coast trough has returned. For US threats, something would need to get into the WCAR or Gulf.


May you please translate in layman's terms?


He saying a trough ,i.e. weakness will likely steer the system away from the U.S.
Also saying a threat to the U.S. would be more likely if something forms
in the western carribean sea(under cuba) or in the gulf of mexico


As in a threat would be more likely to the Continental U.S. from future Jerry? Thank you!
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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#78 Postby galaxy401 » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:31 pm

Probably would be enough to upgrade to a TS in the next advisory. That will make it 6 systems the NHC has to watch (with another disturbance in the CPAC). The power of the MJO.

What's the highest number of storms the NHC had to monitor at once?
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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#79 Postby cycloneye » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:31 pm

Up to 2.5.

[img]TXNT23 KNES 172350
TCSNTL

A. 10L (NONAME)

B. 17/2330Z

C. 13.5N

D. 46.3W

E. THREE/GOES-E

F. T2.5/2.5/D1.5/24HRS

G. IR/EIR/SWIR

H. REMARKS...8/10 W BANDED CONVECTION SUGGESTS A
DT=4.0. MET=2.0. PT=2.5. FT IS BASED ON PT SINCE CLOUD FEATURES ARE
NOT CLEAR-CUT OWING TO FLARING CONVECTION AND AN ADJUSTMENT WAS MADE TO
THE MET.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

NIL


...LEE[/img]
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Re: ATL: TEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#80 Postby Abdullah » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:35 pm

cycloneye wrote:Up to 2.5.

[url]TXNT23 KNES 172350
TCSNTL

A. 10L (NONAME)

B. 17/2330Z

C. 13.5N

D. 46.3W

E. THREE/GOES-E

F. T2.5/2.5/D1.5/24HRS

G. IR/EIR/SWIR

H. REMARKS...8/10 W BANDED CONVECTION SUGGESTS A
DT=4.0. MET=2.0. PT=2.5. FT IS BASED ON PT SINCE CLOUD FEATURES ARE
NOT CLEAR-CUT OWING TO FLARING CONVECTION AND AN ADJUSTMENT WAS MADE TO
THE MET.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

NIL


...LEE[/url]


Is this Dvorak?
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