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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Discussion

#21 Postby Sciencerocks » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:12 am

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
100 AM EST Tue Nov 19 2019

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

Showers and thunderstorms associated with a broad area of low
pressure centered a little more than 200 miles east-northeast of the
northern Leeward Islands continue to show signs of organization.
Although the surface circulation of the disturbance appears to be
gradually consolidating, recent satellite-derived wind data indicate
that it does not yet have a well-defined center. Additional
development is expected and a tropical or subtropical depression is
likely to form while the system moves northwestward and then
northward over the open Atlantic during the next day or two. The low
is forecast to interact with a frontal system by midweek and further
development is unlikely after that time. For more information, see
High Seas Forecasts issued by the National Weather Service.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...70 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...70 percent.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Discussion

#22 Postby cycloneye » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:52 am

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
700 AM EST Tue Nov 19 2019

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

1. A broad area of low pressure located about 250 miles northeast of
the northern Leeward Islands is gradually becoming better organized
and the associated shower and thunderstorm activity has been
developing closer to the center since yesterday. If this trend
continues, then a tropical or subtropical depression or storm could
form in the next day or so while the system moves northwestward and
then northward over the open Atlantic. The low is forecast to
interact with a frontal system by midweek and further development is
unlikely after that time. For more information, see High Seas
Forecasts issued by the National Weather Service.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...80 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...80 percent.

High Seas Forecasts issued by the National Weather Service can be
found under AWIPS header NFDHSFAT1, WMO header FZNT01 KWBC, and
online at ocean.weather.gov/shtml/NFDHSFAT1.php

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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Discussion

#23 Postby MarioProtVI » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:25 am

Looks like I might’ve checked out early - 90L well on its way to being classified. Would argue based on ASCAT and satellite data that it’s been a TD since at least 06z. I believe it’ll get classified within the next hour with a projected peak of 60-70 mph given models seem to be trending towards strong TS/weak C1.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Discussion

#24 Postby aspen » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:32 am

That looks like a closed circulation to me.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Discussion

#25 Postby EquusStorm » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:43 am

Honestly looks like a closed LLC to me, it was kind enough to pop its head out for a bit to be easily seen. Here's hoping convection syncs up again; hoping for as intense as possible in the short window it's got since it probably won't affect anyone.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Discussion

#26 Postby Socalhurcnegirl227 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:50 am

EquusStorm wrote:Honestly looks like a closed LLC to me, it was kind enough to pop its head out for a bit to be easily seen. Here's hoping convection syncs up again; hoping for as intense as possible in the short window it's got since it probably won't affect anyone.

Dont be too sure, bermuda could be affected by this one
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Re: ATL: SEBASTIEN - Tropical Storm

#27 Postby tolakram » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:06 am

...TROPICAL STORM SEBASTIEN FORMS... ...EXPECTED TO REMAIN OVER OPEN WATERS...

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WTNT45 KNHC 191501
TCDAT5

Tropical Storm Sebastien Discussion Number 1
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL202019
1100 AM AST Tue Nov 19 2019

Satellite imagery indicates that the overall cloud pattern of the
disturbance has improved since yesterday, and that the low has
become well-defined. In addition, a late-arriving ASCAT-B
scatterometer pass showed 35-38 kt winds extending 90 n mi from the
center in the northeastern quadrant. This pass also revealed that
the low was nearly closed at the surface, and since the
scatterometer may not have resolved the small scale of the low-level
center it is likely that the surface low is indeed closed. Based on
these data, advisories are being initiated on Tropical Storm
Sebastian with an initial advisory intensity of 40 kt.

The depression will not be in an ideal environment for significant
intensification, as it will be battling dry air to its west and
about 20 kt of northwesterly shear for the next couple of days.
However, due to the presence of an upper trough to the west of the
system, a diffluent environment aloft may aid in some slight
strengthening over the next day or so. After that time, the
depression will begin to interact with an approaching cold front,
and some additional intensification may occur due to baroclinic
processes. The cyclone is then expected to become absorbed by the
front in about 48 hours. The various intensity guidance solutions
are in decent agreement, and the official forecast is near the mean
of these forecasts. There are some timing variations among the
models on when the cyclone will become absorbed by the front, and it
is possible that the depression could be absorbed sooner than
indicated.

The initial motion is 330/07 kt. The depression will be steered to
the northwest in the near term around a deep-layer ridge over the
central Atlantic. By Wednesday, the cyclone should turn north, and
then should accelerate northeastward by Wednesday night as the
cyclone gets caught up in the flow between the retreating ridge and
ahead of the approaching cold front. The model guidance is in good
agreement on this scenario, and on the official forecast track the
cyclone will remain over open waters for the duration of its
existence.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 19/1500Z 20.1N 58.7W 40 KT 45 MPH
12H 20/0000Z 21.0N 59.2W 40 KT 45 MPH
24H 20/1200Z 22.2N 60.0W 45 KT 50 MPH
36H 21/0000Z 23.5N 60.0W 45 KT 50 MPH
48H 21/1200Z 25.5N 58.3W 45 KT 50 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
72H 22/1200Z...DISSIPATED

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Re: ATL: SEBASTIEN - Tropical Storm

#28 Postby tolakram » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:07 am

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Re: ATL: SEBASTIEN - Tropical Storm

#29 Postby northjaxpro » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:09 am

Well, it looks like Sebastien has been classified by NHC. It is Impressive we got that November named storm to close out the 2019 North Atlantic Season afterall. A busier than anticipated season, and a historic season which produced Cat 5 monsters Dorian and Lorenzo!!
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Re: ATL: SEBASTIEN - Tropical Storm

#30 Postby TallyTracker » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:47 am

Another surprising thing is that Sebastien has the most tropical origin of any system since Lorenzo! lol :P
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Re: ATL: SEBASTIEN - Tropical Storm

#31 Postby Hammy » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:40 pm

So we have Sebastien, forming in a nearly the same place, and exactly 30 days on the calendar later, than the last Sebastien--and with a similar satellite appearance too.
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Re: ATL: SEBASTIEN - Tropical Storm

#32 Postby EquusStorm » Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:41 pm

Also puts us as being the most active season since 2012. 18 storms does not happen often despite the recent couple decades' antics.
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Re: ATL: SEBASTIEN - Tropical Storm

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Re: ATL: INVEST 90L - Discussion

#34 Postby plasticup » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:36 pm

Socalhurcnegirl227 wrote:
EquusStorm wrote:Honestly looks like a closed LLC to me, it was kind enough to pop its head out for a bit to be easily seen. Here's hoping convection syncs up again; hoping for as intense as possible in the short window it's got since it probably won't affect anyone.

Dont be too sure, bermuda could be affected by this one

Models don't take it close at all
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Re: ATL: SEBASTIEN - Tropical Storm

#35 Postby plasticup » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:37 pm

EquusStorm wrote:Also puts us as being the most active season since 2012. 18 storms does not happen often despite the recent couple decades' antics.

Well, minus two since they only recently started naming subtropical storms which inflates the numbers relative to previous years.
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Re: ATL: SEBASTIEN - Tropical Storm

#36 Postby Sciencerocks » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:42 pm

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WTNT45 KNHC 192035
TCDAT5

Tropical Storm Sebastien Discussion Number 2
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL202019
500 PM AST Tue Nov 19 2019

The low-level center of Sebastien has been exposed over the past
several hours, as northwesterly shear of 20-30 kt has been pushing
any deep convection off to the southeastern portion of the cyclone.
The initial advisory intensity is being held at 40 kt and is based
on an earlier scatterometer pass that sampled maximum winds of
39 kt.

The initial motion is 305/10 kt. Sebastien is forecast to be steered
to the northwest around a deep-layer ridge over the central Atlantic
through tonight. By Wednesday, the cyclone should turn to the north,
and then accelerate northeastward Wednesday night as the cyclone
gets caught up in the flow between the retreating ridge and ahead of
an approaching cold front. The model guidance remains in good
agreement on this scenario, and the official forecast track keeps
the cyclone over open waters for the duration of its existence.

The shear is not expected to decrease much over the next couple
days while the system remains a tropical cyclone. There may be an
opportunity for some strengthening Wednesday and Wednesday night as
Sebastien turns to the north and northeast and resides under some
favorable upper-level diffluence. By 48 hours, Sebastien is expected
to transition to an extratropical cyclone just ahead of an
approaching cold front. Therefore, additional strengthening
indicated beyond 36 hours should be due to baroclinic processes. The
cyclone should then become absorbed by the cold front by late this
week. The official forecast was adjusted slightly higher from the
previous one at 36 and 48 hours to reflect the anticipated
intensification of the system as it begins its extratropical
transition.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 19/2100Z 20.6N 59.7W 40 KT 45 MPH
12H 20/0600Z 21.3N 60.7W 40 KT 45 MPH
24H 20/1800Z 22.6N 61.9W 45 KT 50 MPH
36H 21/0600Z 24.2N 61.0W 50 KT 60 MPH
48H 21/1800Z 26.0N 58.9W 55 KT 65 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
72H 22/1800Z...DISSIPATED

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Re: ATL: SEBASTIEN - Tropical Storm

#37 Postby Sciencerocks » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:43 pm

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Re: ATL: SEBASTIEN - Tropical Storm

#38 Postby Ubuntwo » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:48 pm

plasticup wrote:
EquusStorm wrote:Also puts us as being the most active season since 2012. 18 storms does not happen often despite the recent couple decades' antics.

Well, minus two since they only recently started naming subtropical storms which inflates the numbers relative to previous years.

NHC started naming subtropical storms in 2002, so doesn’t have a bearing over the past almost 2 decades.
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Re: ATL: SEBASTIEN - Tropical Storm

#39 Postby EquusStorm » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:02 pm

Subtropical storm and high latitude brief storm classification seems to have been pretty inconsistent until the last decade or two, been looking through satellite data since 1980 and have found a few candidates that would probably be named today (though I can't find surface data to prove it) I don't think the recent spate of brief STS is new, but classifying them seems to kinda be. Not sure if Andrea/Noel/Olga/Rebekah would've been classified back then.
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Re: ATL: SEBASTIEN - Tropical Storm

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