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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1361 Postby SouthDadeFish » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:36 am



I wouldn't listen to a thing that guy says :wink:

Lol, but seriously I haven't seen much attention paid to the role of upper-level dynamics aiding convective development on the northern half of the wave... But then again I'm very biased :)
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1362 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:40 am

SouthDadeFish wrote:


I wouldn't listen to a thing that guy says :wink:

Lol, but seriously I haven't seen much attention paid to the role of upper-level dynamics aiding convective development on the northern half of the wave... But then again I'm very biased :)


well there is the 12z gfs.


https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... 912&fh=-60
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1363 Postby BobHarlem » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:41 am

nativefloridian wrote:
chris_fit wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:
been watching that.. if that is the case.. then we multiple vorts.. one well west and that one.

could also be a illusion .. have to wait and see.



This is what caught my eye as well. I smell something brewing up there.


Saw this a little while ago. Seems the area west of Dominica is trying to wrap up IMO. Oh well....nothing to do but watch, wait, and see what happens.



I see that area too on the NE, but that southwest area also has stuff fanning out and north moving clouds. I don't think much happens until that's resolved.
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1364 Postby GCANE » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:43 am

Oh, BTW, that N-S Axis rotation that was supposed to happen - DIDN'T
I vote to fire GFS.

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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1365 Postby Lance » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:44 am

Aric Dunn wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:


I wouldn't listen to a thing that guy says :wink:

Lol, but seriously I haven't seen much attention paid to the role of upper-level dynamics aiding convective development on the northern half of the wave... But then again I'm very biased :)


well there is the 12z gfs.


https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... 912&fh=-60


Long time lurker, first post. That looks to miss DR to the north? That would be interesting...
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1366 Postby SFLcane » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:46 am

Aric Dunn wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:


I wouldn't listen to a thing that guy says :wink:

Lol, but seriously I haven't seen much attention paid to the role of upper-level dynamics aiding convective development on the northern half of the wave... But then again I'm very biased :)


well there is the 12z gfs.


https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... 912&fh=-60


If it indeed does this we have a whole new ball game in our hands. It will avoid most of the islands. Interesting
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1367 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:49 am

SFLcane wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:
I wouldn't listen to a thing that guy says :wink:

Lol, but seriously I haven't seen much attention paid to the role of upper-level dynamics aiding convective development on the northern half of the wave... But then again I'm very biased :)


well there is the 12z gfs.


https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... 912&fh=-60


If it indeed does this we have a whole new ball game in our hands. It will avoid most of the islands. Interesting


well the GFS still kills it later with DRY AIR firs then SHEAR.. im just going to throw out the GFS this year lol
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1368 Postby MississippiWx » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:57 am

SouthDadeFish wrote:


I wouldn't listen to a thing that guy says :wink:

Lol, but seriously I haven't seen much attention paid to the role of upper-level dynamics aiding convective development on the northern half of the wave... But then again I'm very biased :)


Northern half of the wave is still where I’m placing my bets. The southern half has been robust with convection which has robbed the northern half of energy/focus for low consolidation. That southern blob is decaying now. If it keeps decaying, I believe the northern half will finally be able to win the battle.
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1369 Postby nativefloridian » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:02 am

MississippiWx wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:


I wouldn't listen to a thing that guy says :wink:

Lol, but seriously I haven't seen much attention paid to the role of upper-level dynamics aiding convective development on the northern half of the wave... But then again I'm very biased :)


Northern half of the wave is still where I’m placing my bets. The southern half has been robust with convection which has robbed the northern half of energy/focus for low consolidation. That southern blob is decaying now. If it keeps decaying, I believe the northern half will finally be able to win the battle.


Agree with your bet on the northern half. Does appear, at this point, that the southern portion may be losing some steam. Just my uneducated opinion.
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1370 Postby sma10 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:04 am

MississippiWx wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:


I wouldn't listen to a thing that guy says :wink:

Lol, but seriously I haven't seen much attention paid to the role of upper-level dynamics aiding convective development on the northern half of the wave... But then again I'm very biased :)


Northern half of the wave is still where I’m placing my bets. The southern half has been robust with convection which has robbed the northern half of energy/focus for low consolidation. That southern blob is decaying now. If it keeps decaying, I believe the northern half will finally be able to win the battle.


Do we think that blowup around 16n 64w is where it's at?
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1371 Postby HurricaneEnzo » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:05 am

Aric Dunn wrote:
SFLcane wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:
well there is the 12z gfs.


https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... 912&fh=-60


If it indeed does this we have a whole new ball game in our hands. It will avoid most of the islands. Interesting


well the GFS still kills it later with DRY AIR firs then SHEAR.. im just going to throw out the GFS this year lol


Reminds me of the 6z HWRF I looked at earlier. COC is jumping around and zigzagging all over the place. Honestly seems like they are lost. Hard to believe they aren't out to lunch on this one.
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1372 Postby Ian2401 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:05 am

sma10 wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:
I wouldn't listen to a thing that guy says :wink:

Lol, but seriously I haven't seen much attention paid to the role of upper-level dynamics aiding convective development on the northern half of the wave... But then again I'm very biased :)


Northern half of the wave is still where I’m placing my bets. The southern half has been robust with convection which has robbed the northern half of energy/focus for low consolidation. That southern blob is decaying now. If it keeps decaying, I believe the northern half will finally be able to win the battle.


Do we think that blowup around 16n 64w is where it's at?

lets wait and see how it evolves
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1373 Postby curtadams » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:07 am

Check the sats, log on to eat crow about being a bear on this and - THAT is still just a wave? Wow, gotta love the tropics. Also, pretty dubious about this expected NW turn as long as it hasn't formed up. Waves prefer heading west, and so far this has been showing just that.
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1374 Postby boca » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:08 am

I like being in the cone early here in Florida because once the situation is more clear we will most likely not be on the cone anymore.
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1375 Postby SFLcane » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:10 am

boca wrote:I like being in the cone early here in Florida because once the situation is more clear we will most likely not be on the cone anymore.


Not this time with Trof in place the break in the ridge is right over FL so it eventually has to turn north.
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1376 Postby curtadams » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:12 am

HurricaneEnzo wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:
SFLcane wrote:
If it indeed does this we have a whole new ball game in our hands. It will avoid most of the islands. Interesting


well the GFS still kills it later with DRY AIR firs then SHEAR.. im just going to throw out the GFS this year lol


Reminds me of the 6z HWRF I looked at earlier. COC is jumping around and zigzagging all over the place. Honestly seems like they are lost. Hard to believe they aren't out to lunch on this one.
HWRF is a numerical model - a big sim of a LOT of blobs of air moving around. Having the COC moving around doesn't mean it's confused, it means it thinks there's a messy circulation. Which matches up to the multiple vort sightings, complex behavior, etc.
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1377 Postby MississippiWx » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:13 am

sma10 wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:
I wouldn't listen to a thing that guy says :wink:

Lol, but seriously I haven't seen much attention paid to the role of upper-level dynamics aiding convective development on the northern half of the wave... But then again I'm very biased :)


Northern half of the wave is still where I’m placing my bets. The southern half has been robust with convection which has robbed the northern half of energy/focus for low consolidation. That southern blob is decaying now. If it keeps decaying, I believe the northern half will finally be able to win the battle.


Do we think that blowup around 16n 64w is where it's at?


Starting to see low level westerlies just to the south of that new blowup of convection on the northern half. That’s where I’m thinking. Not sure if those westerlies are all the way to the surface, but it’s the first time I’ve seen pure westerlies on satellite with this system.
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1378 Postby Blown Away » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:14 am

curtadams wrote:Check the sats, log on to eat crow about being a bear on this and - THAT is still just a wave? Wow, gotta love the tropics. Also, pretty dubious about this expected NW turn as long as it hasn't formed up. Waves prefer heading west, and so far this has been showing just that.


DATE TIME LAT LON CLASSIFICATION ID NAME
20200729 1130 15.5 62.4 T2.5/2.5 09L NONAME
20200729 0530 14.5 59.4 T2.0/2.0 09L NONAME
20200728 2330 14.7 56.7 T1.5/1.5 09L NONAME
20200728 1730 13.3 56.2 T1.5/1.5 09L NONAME


Has been slowly gaining latitude and getting better organized.
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1379 Postby HurricaneEnzo » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:14 am

Now that some of that impressive convection from earlier has diminished a bit you can see little areas of spin everywhere. I might just go back to my original thoughts that nothing organized comes from this after all :lol: Surely don't envy the NHC right now trying to pin down a track and intensity for this mess
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Re: ATL: NINE - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#1380 Postby Evil Jeremy » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:15 am

sma10 wrote:Do we think that blowup around 16n 64w is where it's at?


By my eye, just looking at the two most recent satellite visible, there's some inflow under that mass.
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