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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1501 Postby supercane4867 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:51 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
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Iceresistance wrote:Super Typhoon?


The structure is much closer to a west pacific typhoon than a standard Atlantic hurricane.

I see, but that did not make sense at first.

Actually, not even the WPAC produces this kind of CDO very often. Eta resembles a SPAC system more than any other basin. SPAC cyclones are known to produce insanely cold cloudtops.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1502 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:52 pm

RL3AO wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:This thing is bombing out. I am strongly leaning toward cat 5 by the time recon gets there. Folks need to understand this was only a tropical storm yesterday. Just an absurd rate of intensification.


It (probably) won't hit Wilmas pressure falls, but it might manage to beat or tie Wilmas record for fastest TS to Cat 5.


where hours count.. the failed recon mission earlier may have jepordized that.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1503 Postby Cunxi Huang » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:52 pm

cjrciadt wrote:
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Cunxi Huang wrote:Raw T# is now 7.4.

Dear goodness! :eek:

It cant get to 7.8 right like the WPAC beast?! thats just too much for this part of the Atlantic! :double:

Raw can go as high as it wants even if only ONE frame satisfies. Goni had CI and FT both at 7.6 on CIMSS ADT.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1504 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:52 pm

Latest IR frames:

Eye temperature: around -23C

Eye wall temperature: down to -100C
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1505 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:53 pm

150 mph winds at the intermediate. Probably would have gone higher if Recon was not coming.

The 934 mb estimated pressure is the lowest of the season (albeit with an asterisk for the next couple hours).
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1506 Postby BYG Jacob » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:53 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
BYG Jacob wrote:Why is there talk like we know the eye temp when satellites have renowned issues with small eyes like Eta?

Satellites can now resolve pin hole eyes significantly better.

There are still pretty significant issues, and there is no real idea of the eye temp without recon
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1507 Postby supercane4867 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:53 pm

Warm pixels expanding in the eye.

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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1508 Postby aspen » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:53 pm

Laura, you had a good run.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1509 Postby Highteeld » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:53 pm

supercane4867 wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:
RL3AO wrote:

The structure is much closer to a west pacific typhoon than a standard Atlantic hurricane.

I see, but that did not make sense at first.

Actually, not even the WPAC produces this kind of CDO very often. Eta resembles a SPAC system more than any other basin. SPAC cyclones are known to produce insanely cold cloudtops.

This. WPAC storms will have more pronounced banding features while SPAC tends to have smaller CDO's but larger area of visible ventilation/spin. Eta is more like SPAC
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1510 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:53 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
RL3AO wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:This thing is bombing out. I am strongly leaning toward cat 5 by the time recon gets there. Folks need to understand this was only a tropical storm yesterday. Just an absurd rate of intensification.


It (probably) won't hit Wilmas pressure falls, but it might manage to beat or tie Wilmas record for fastest TS to Cat 5.


where hours count.. the failed recon mission earlier may have jepordized that.


Eta is at it's best it's ever been.

Recon is now flying at 264 knots right now.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1511 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:54 pm

Eye temp on sat is breaking into the positives. How high does it need to be to make 8.0 raw?
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1512 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:54 pm

finally clearling out.

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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1513 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:54 pm

supercane4867 wrote:Warm pixels expanding in the eye.

https://i.imgur.com/5aTK8gD.gif



Down to -10C!?

:shocked!:
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1514 Postby supercane4867 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:54 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:150 mph winds at the intermediate. Probably would have gone higher if Recon was not coming.

FWIW, Maria was only at 130mph for the advisory before recon arrived shortly after and confirmed 140kt intensity.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1515 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:55 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:Eye temp on sat is breaking into the positives. How high does it need to be to make 8.0 raw?


I don't know. but the eyewall is down to -105C
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1516 Postby ClarCari » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:55 pm

I called that right! In my mind I even guessed the 934mb pressure right! :lol:

It’s insane that Laura was ONLY about 10 friggin weeks ago..

I actually almost forgot the season started off using actual names! :roll:
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion: 7 PM EST = 150 mph

#1517 Postby Cunxi Huang » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:55 pm

7:00 PM EST Mon Nov 2
Location: 14.4°N 82.4°W
Moving: WSW at 9 mph
Min pressure: 934 mb
Max sustained: 150 mph
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1518 Postby Kingarabian » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:55 pm

supercane4867 wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:
RL3AO wrote:

The structure is much closer to a west pacific typhoon than a standard Atlantic hurricane.

I see, but that did not make sense at first.

Actually, not even the WPAC produces this kind of CDO very often. Eta resembles a SPAC system more than any other basin. SPAC cyclones are known to produce insanely cold cloudtops.

The SPAC major hurricanes do have insane cloud tops but the WPAC can have a couple of Eta esque systems in a year. Just an insane amount of OHC in that basin.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1519 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:56 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
RL3AO wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:This thing is bombing out. I am strongly leaning toward cat 5 by the time recon gets there. Folks need to understand this was only a tropical storm yesterday. Just an absurd rate of intensification.


It (probably) won't hit Wilmas pressure falls, but it might manage to beat or tie Wilmas record for fastest TS to Cat 5.


where hours count.. the failed recon mission earlier may have jepordized that.


If Recon finds a real whopper, then post-analysis would up the intensities at 18Z and 00Z.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1520 Postby Kingarabian » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:56 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
cheezyWXguy wrote:Eye temp on sat is breaking into the positives. How high does it need to be to make 8.0 raw?


I don't know. but the eyewall is down to -105C


+15/+20 ish I would assume
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