ATL: ISAIAS - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1861 Postby Vdogg » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:47 am

abk_0710 wrote:Since Isaias has already started making that NW turn, is it safe to say that the central Gulf Coast is out of any eventual path?

No, it could easily go west and cross the Florida peninsula.
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1862 Postby northjaxpro » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:48 am

I can not tell you all how many times I have seen cyclones get around Hispaniola. We hear so much about how Hispaniola destroys storms. However, I think this mainly applies to storms that are tightly compacted with solid inner cores. These are the cyclones that if they encounter the rugged, high terrain of the island, they are susceptible to being ripped apart.

Large, disorganized systems like Isaias tend to tighten up and actually seemingly benefit from the frictional effects from the island. It is an interesting study through the years and wnever ceases to amaze me.
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1863 Postby NDG » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:49 am

SFLcane wrote:
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SFLcane wrote:I see the eastward shifts continue next couple of advisories I bet FL is completely out of the cone from this one. Looks a lot better organized this morning.


Not when the GFS and Euro have actually shifted west, lol.


Hey NDG!

You know how it is SFL always in the cone only to get out. I keep looking at Satellite imagery this morning and is it me or this is going to get out of the islands with much trouble?


SE FL is now well within the 3 days forecast, I doubt you will be completely out of the cone at this point.
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1864 Postby NDG » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:51 am

If that is not the LLC in Mona Passage it has to be very close to it to the SW. Recon will tell us.

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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1865 Postby SFLcane » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:53 am

NDG wrote:If that is not the LLC in Mona Passage it has to be very close to it to the SW. Recon will tell us.

https://i.imgur.com/jXApKrB.gif


It’s clearly pulling a Dorian which will keep the storm intact and I can I see the nhc giving more weight to those eastward more intense trends. The 06z tcvn is out over the Bahamas that track will be shifted offshore.
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1866 Postby boca » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:56 am

SFLcane wrote:I see the eastward shifts continue next couple of advisories I bet FL is completely out of the cone from this one. Looks a lot better organized this morning.


I totally agree the east shifts will continue due to our saving trough which always gets us out of trouble.
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1867 Postby DestinHurricane » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:58 am

boca wrote:
SFLcane wrote:I see the eastward shifts continue next couple of advisories I bet FL is completely out of the cone from this one. Looks a lot better organized this morning.


I totally agree the east shifts will continue due to our saving trough which always gets us out of trouble.


Why will it shift east if the global models have strong riding that keeps it close to the coast?
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1868 Postby Highteeld » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:59 am

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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1869 Postby SFLcane » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:01 am

DestinHurricane wrote:
boca wrote:
SFLcane wrote:I see the eastward shifts continue next couple of advisories I bet FL is completely out of the cone from this one. Looks a lot better organized this morning.


I totally agree the east shifts will continue due to our saving trough which always gets us out of trouble.


Why will it shift east if the global models have strong riding that keeps it close to the coast?


The 06z TCVN is out over the Bahamas so that usually means the 11am will see another eastward shift. By the way things are shaping up the worst of the weather will this system will be over the Bahamas. We can deal with a nice breezy day. :sun:
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1870 Postby Kat5 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:04 am

SFLcane wrote:
DestinHurricane wrote:
boca wrote:
I totally agree the east shifts will continue due to our saving trough which always gets us out of trouble.


Why will it shift east if the global models have strong riding that keeps it close to the coast?


The 06z TCVN is out over the Bahamas so that usually means the 11am will see another eastward shift. By the way things are shaping up the worst of the weather will system over the Bahamas. We can deal with a nice breezy day. :sun:


We’re dodging bullets these past few years. Definitely going to be breezy this weekend, maybe a shower then and there. I’m enjoying this shield. 8-)
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1871 Postby SFLcane » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:04 am

I mean all the guidance keeping it stronger has kept it away from SFL for a while anyway. We shall see
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1872 Postby otowntiger » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:04 am

boca wrote:
SFLcane wrote:I see the eastward shifts continue next couple of advisories I bet FL is completely out of the cone from this one. Looks a lot better organized this morning.


I totally agree the east shifts will continue due to our saving trough which always gets us out of trouble.

Yep- this is what I believe will happen as well. The storm could very well strengthen more than currently forecast and it could stay well offshore, in my opinion. May even be just far enough to provide subsidence for the peninsula. Therefore we actually could have, dare I say it, decent weather in Florida over the weekend? 8-)
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1873 Postby GCANE » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:09 am

Looks like strong LL winds coming into the NE DR shore.
Heavy convection likely to fire up and a sling-shot of the LL/ML vort to the north / northwest becoming more likely.

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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1874 Postby NDG » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:09 am

SFLcane wrote:
DestinHurricane wrote:
boca wrote:
I totally agree the east shifts will continue due to our saving trough which always gets us out of trouble.


Why will it shift east if the global models have strong riding that keeps it close to the coast?


The 06z TCVN is out over the Bahamas so that usually means the 11am will see another eastward shift. By the way things are shaping up the worst of the weather will this system will be over the Bahamas. We can deal with a nice breezy day. :sun:


06z TVCN is that far to the right because of earlier GFS runs being far to the right, with the latest 06z GFS shifting westward the TVCN should also shift westward on the next 12z run with the latest Euro that far to the west.
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1875 Postby Steve H. » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:10 am

I wouldn't bank on good weather for the East coast of Florida this weekend. On the contrary, I am pretty sure it will be wet and windy per the nws Melbourne forecast. And it may be quite a bit worse.
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1876 Postby GCANE » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:12 am

Dropping down now. Tons of TS-force SFMR readings.
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1877 Postby NDG » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:13 am

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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1878 Postby NDG » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:15 am

Plenty of TS force winds already in the eastern quadrant.

10500 1645N 06641W 8226 01780 0098 +155 +137 167043 044 040 001 00
110530 1644N 06643W 8377 01621 0094 +168 +134 168043 043 038 001 00
110600 1643N 06645W 8408 01588 0093 +171 +136 169045 046 036 000 00
110630 1642N 06646W 8420 01573 0094 +167 +140 173045 046 036 000 00
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1879 Postby Blown Away » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:21 am

boca wrote:
SFLcane wrote:I see the eastward shifts continue next couple of advisories I bet FL is completely out of the cone from this one. Looks a lot better organized this morning.


I totally agree the east shifts will continue due to our saving trough which always gets us out of trouble.


The 00z Euro trended W and the 06z GFS trended W very close to FL coast. I suspect the TVCN will shift slightly W in the 12z this morning and back to a FL landfall.
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Re: ATL: ISAIAS - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1880 Postby bob rulz » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:29 am

First visibles are in, and what a difference 12 horus can make. This no longer looks like a disorganized mess, it actually looks like a storm!

Given how 2020 has gone so far, and the bathtub waters ahead of it, I find it hard to believe that this won't strengthen more than forecast. The only hope is that the forecasted shear pans out.
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