ATL: ETA - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2041 Postby Owasso » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:30 pm

134kt FL in the Southern Quadrant
109kt SFMR.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2042 Postby zal0phus » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:30 pm

GeneratorPower wrote:The pass missed the eye.

With as tight as a gradient as Eta has that could make a big difference. I wonder if they'll be able to make it on the next pass.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2043 Postby Nimbus » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:30 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:If we assume a pressure around 924 mb (for missing the true center), that would suggest winds of about 140 kt.


Flying out of an eyewall that is racing West at 150 knots and into one that is moving East at 140 knots..
They probably got the center with that light blue flag.
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ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2044 Postby Sanibel » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:31 pm

I’m guessing inhibited by land in west quadrant and November...
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2045 Postby p1nheadlarry » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:31 pm

Kingarabian wrote:Will the real Patricia please stand up.

Seriously though, this is good news. Hopefully it remains weak.


It’s just going to be moving so slow...it won’t matter. This will suck for Nicaragua/Honduras.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2046 Postby supercane4867 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:32 pm

WV presentation still improving so nothing is off the table yet. It may very well make landfall near peak intensity.

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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2047 Postby Beef Stew » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:32 pm

There remains the possibility that the pass may have slightly missed the center due to turbulence. In an intense and small system with such a steep gradient, it can happen. We need more passes to tell the full story. And at the end of the day, we are still more likely than not looking at a Category 5.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2048 Postby p1nheadlarry » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:33 pm

Sanibel wrote:I’m guessing inhibited by land in west quadrant and November...


That little nook actually can help the storm. Keeps the tangential component of the wind field largely parallel to isobars and allows for the secondary circulation to stay intact.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2049 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:33 pm

It's also been going well south of forecast. Right now at about 14.1N 82.6W.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2050 Postby BYG Jacob » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:33 pm

Gonna get munching on the crow I got served.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2051 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:33 pm

Sanibel wrote:I’m guessing inhibited by land in west quadrant and November...

I highly doubt it. Signs of dry air entrainment would be prominent. Whatever the reason, these dynamics are clearly too complex for me to understand...
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2052 Postby supercane4867 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:33 pm

Kazmit wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:Will the real Patricia please stand up.

Seriously though, this is good news. Hopefully it remains weak.

"Weak"

We have finally come to the point that a 140kt storm is considered a weak system.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2053 Postby Fancy1001 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:35 pm

supercane4867 wrote:
Kazmit wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:Will the real Patricia please stand up.

Seriously though, this is good news. Hopefully it remains weak.

"Weak"

We have finally come to the point that a 140kt storm is considered a weak system.

No, It's only weak compared to what we thought it was. We let our imaginations run wild.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2054 Postby Cunxi Huang » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:35 pm

Again don't relies merely on raw T#. It has its own reason that CI, FT, and adjT exist.
That being said, Eta is still strengthening.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2055 Postby Highteeld » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:36 pm

When you zoom in on satellite, it all begins to make sense. Hurricane Rick has made a comeback.

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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2056 Postby supercane4867 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:36 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:
Sanibel wrote:I’m guessing inhibited by land in west quadrant and November...

I highly doubt it. Signs of dry air entrainment would be prominent. Whatever the reason, these dynamics are clearly too complex for me to understand...

Upper troposphere temperature tends to be cooler in November so that it's easier to produce cold convection during this time of the year.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2057 Postby aspen » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:37 pm

The big question is: what will the NHC do? Will they pull the Cat 5 trigger or not? The highest winds have yet to be sampled and the pressure is low enough for a Cat 5, but the next pass won’t be until after the 10pm advisory comes out.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2058 Postby shah83 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:37 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:It's also been going well south of forecast. Right now at about 14.1N 82.6W.


also very slightly east of gfs/hwrf modeling.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion= First pass missed the eye

#2059 Postby Do_For_Love » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:38 pm

We overshot that by a bit, lol. 920s mbar and potentially still strengthening is a beast regardless though, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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Re: ATL: ETA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2060 Postby jackdets » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:38 pm

If you look at the SFMR precip max data... Looks like a second eyewall could be developing??
https://twitter.com/AndyHazelton/status ... 6886487040
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