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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#501 Postby boca » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:21 am

Where is Josephine heading that we have 96L out there now gcane was saying it’s a game changer? Anyone have an idea because it looks like Bermuda only is threatened.
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#502 Postby HurricaneEnzo » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:23 am

I'm on board with the Josephine being on borrowed time. Just too much shear in the area nowhere it can run and hide. Even if it heads due West it is still gonna get blasted.

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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#503 Postby curtadams » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:23 am

CIMSS agrees convergence has become weak: ImageNo matter how Josephine goes NW, she's heading into 30+ kt shear, and that's normally death for a TC.
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#504 Postby Nuno » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:32 am

Aric Dunn wrote:Models have been persistent that dry air would be its demise. That scenario is becoming less likely by the hour.


According to early models, this should have already dissipated by now.

I'm not sure I buy this surviving very long, but we've seen a tendency of these weak storms to persist even in adverse conditions.
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#505 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:49 am

Recon is in the Air
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#506 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:55 am

The only thing it has to do is keep pulsing convective bursts .. and even going through the shear systems have survived in this manner... as long as it is divergent.
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#507 Postby Nimbus » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:03 am

Looks elongated like it was trying to develop a second circulation center to the north?
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#508 Postby gfsperpendicular » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:04 am

It's having a really tough time, I think it's 50/50 that recon finds a wave to be honest
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#509 Postby wxman57 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:29 am

What weak circulation it had appears to be dissipating. Won't be much for recon to investigate. Models were correct that it would peak overnight then steadily weaken and dissipate.
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#510 Postby abajan » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:26 pm

Somehow the opposing views of Aric and wxman57 regarding Josephine's future remind me of this horse race. Just like one of the horses won, either Aric's or wxman57's analyses will eventually be proven right. :lol:

Here's the full race. Lol
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#511 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:34 pm

Well it is closed.. and right where it is supposed to be.. where that new convective burst is. Looks like it got tugged to the NE a little as this burst of convection started.
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#512 Postby wxman57 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:51 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:Well it is closed.. and right where it is supposed to be.. where that new convective burst is. Looks like it got tugged to the NE a little as this burst of convection started.


Looks like a sharp wave axis. SSW winds south of AND north of the center? Nothing there but an open wave, as the models had been predicting.
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#513 Postby GCANE » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:52 pm

Lowest pressure so far 1006 mb. Not bad, was expecting higher.
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#514 Postby AnnularCane » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:53 pm

Is recon in there yet? There's no thread.
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#515 Postby GCANE » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:57 pm

Diurnal convective behavior has always been a lull in the afternoon and then a pickup a couple hours before sunset.
We'll see if that pattern persists today.
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#516 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:57 pm

west winds , SW winds, SE winds..

Closed circ..

they also are fly very low so they wont be doing a center pass or going in to heavy convection unless they gain some altitude.
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#517 Postby GCANE » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:58 pm

AnnularCane wrote:Is recon in there yet? There's no thread.


They're looking for the center now.
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#518 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:00 pm

GCANE wrote:Lowest pressure so far 1006 mb. Not bad, was expecting higher.


1006 mb with 20 kt winds. so 1004 to 1005mb. likely.
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#519 Postby Kazmit » Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:01 pm

abajan wrote:Somehow the opposing views of Aric and wxman57 regarding Josephine's future remind me of this horse race. Just like one of the horses won, either Aric's or wxman57's analyses will eventually be proven right. :lol:

A lot of the time they're both right. Every system has it's strengths and weaknesses. :ggreen:
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Re: ATL: JOSEPHINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#520 Postby GCANE » Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:02 pm

CIMSS indicating the anticyclone is closing in on the CoC from the SW.
Shear is in the green zone at 15 knots.
Watch out if the anticyclone rotates clockwise and gets ahead of the CoC in its track to the NW.
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