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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#121 Postby SFLcane » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm

gatorcane wrote:The GFS is stronger and more north on the 18Z run with strengthening in the Eastern Caribbean Sea. Quite a change:

https://i.postimg.cc/Wb3Ky0H5/gfs-mslp-pcpn-watl-19.png


Quite the trend.. :eek:
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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#122 Postby gatorcane » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:16 pm

Ut oh, emerging in the SE Bahamas heading towards a weakness:

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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#123 Postby ColdMiser123 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:17 pm

Illustrating this change with the 850 hPa forecast low level wind flow.

Yesterday's 18z run had >35 KT in the central Caribbean immediately adjacent to Gonzalo, which is a very hostile situation, given the weak upper level flow. This represents a good amount of wind shear for a small cyclone like Gonzalo.

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However, there is increased separation with this fast flow with today's new GFS run. The stronger storm initially results in a more poleward motion which allows the storm to not travel as far west over the same distance, and separates it more from the extremely hostile wind flow to the west.

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However, if Gonzalo goes too poleward with a small circulation, dissipation could then be on the table with a track over Hispaniola.

In short, a stronger storm initially should increase Gonzalo's chances in the long run, but it has to be a delicate balance between avoiding the unfavorable low level wind flow, and the islands to the north.
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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#124 Postby gatorcane » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:18 pm

gatorcane wrote:Ut oh, emerging in the SE Bahamas heading towards a weakness:

https://i.postimg.cc/N0fpytvp/gfs-z500a-Norm-watl-25.png


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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#125 Postby HurricaneFrances04 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:18 pm

Here is the 12Z NAVGEM (ignore the jump at the end, it is still missing some plots on Levi's site) that I didn't bother posting before because I thought the solution was silly, but now has backing from the GFS. Not sure about holding up over Hispaniola though :roll:

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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#126 Postby gatorcane » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:20 pm

Riding along northern coast of Cuba:

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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#127 Postby HurricaneFrances04 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:21 pm

^ Don't think you could rule out regeneration in the Florida Straits or Gulf of Mexico if that solution played out
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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#128 Postby gatorcane » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:22 pm

Headed for GOM:

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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#129 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:23 pm

I'm starting to get deja-vu. We saw this last year with Dorian, models kept the storm too weak, too far south. Most showed dissipation in the Caribbean. Not saying this is another Dorian as the environmental conditions favor dissipation more than not, but watch for any unexpected shifts north in track.
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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#130 Postby NDG » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:23 pm

Surprise surprise, the GFS doesn't kill Gonzalo in the eastern Caribbean, Hispaniola does, at least in this run. The Canadian continues to lead the pack as somebody mentioned earlier 8-)
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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#131 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:25 pm

This run is almost completely due to the SAL surge having pushed well passed Gonzalo as of now with a surge of deep moisture coming in behind it.

The surge had little to no effect of Gonzalo's forward motion with the previous many runs of the GFS were showing it speed up.
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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#132 Postby AutoPenalti » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:35 pm

HurricaneFrances04 wrote:Here is the 12Z NAVGEM (ignore the jump at the end, it is still missing some plots on Levi's site) that I didn't bother posting before because I thought the solution was silly, but now has backing from the GFS. Not sure about holding up over Hispaniola though :roll:

https://i.imgur.com/ZN9Htw9.gif

Welp, I’m not too surprised to be honest.
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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#133 Postby supercane4867 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:05 pm

18z HWRF is also stronger

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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#134 Postby TheStormExpert » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:22 pm

The reason that the 12z Euro quickly kills Gonzalo is it initializes it wrong.
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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#135 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:29 pm

HWRF.. 116kts heading towards barbados.
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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#136 Postby CyclonicFury » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:31 pm

18z HWRF seems unrealistic. 99 kt at 09z tomorrow?
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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#137 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:32 pm

CyclonicFury wrote:18z HWRF seems unrealistic. 99 kt at 09z tomorrow?


why ? there is already a closed eyewall up through the mid levels... would not take much to RI.
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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#138 Postby CrazyC83 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:35 pm

Also given the tiny size and proximity to a ridge, a pressure around 975 would likely be a major hurricane.
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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

#139 Postby Cpv17 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:37 pm

CyclonicFury wrote:18z HWRF seems unrealistic. 99 kt at 09z tomorrow?


It’s the HWRF. Should you be surprised? Lol
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Re: ATL: GONZALO - Models

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