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Re: WPAC: BAVI - Typhoon

#121 Postby Ed_2001 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:07 pm

09W BAVI 200826 0000 32.4N 124.5E WPAC 100 942
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#122 Postby euro6208 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:15 pm

2nd major of the season.
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Re: WPAC: BAVI - Typhoon

#123 Postby NotoSans » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:25 pm

Don’t know how JMA obtained T5.5 at 00Z but they decided to go with 85KT anyway.
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#124 Postby euro6208 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:25 pm

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Re: WPAC: BAVI - Typhoon

#125 Postby euro6208 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:32 pm

Coming in view.

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Re: WPAC: BAVI - Typhoon

#126 Postby Ed_2001 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:53 pm

mrbagyo wrote:Just how rare are typhoon landfalls in North Korea?

According to NOAA Database, only 4 typhoon strength TCs reached North Korean coastline/ territory (all 4 were just Cat 1, the latest of which was Typhoon Lingling of 2019)
https://i.imgur.com/5s65cUm.png


According to the database 10 storms historically have came ashore on Liaoning province of China at tropical storm strength but none at typhoon strength. Bavi *could* become the first to do so if it misses NK.
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Re: WPAC: BAVI - Typhoon

#127 Postby mrbagyo » Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:59 pm

2020.8.25.12:00 to 2020.8.26.10:40
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Re: WPAC: BAVI - Typhoon

#128 Postby euro6208 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:05 pm

MarioProtVI wrote:Bavi is trying really hard to be relevant right now by striking the Koreas but Marco and now Laura are stealing all the attention :lol:


I dont think this is a surprise to many. TC's even weak ones making a beeline for the U.S always get more attention even in its basin. Like its the only country in the basin. :lol:
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Re: WPAC: BAVI - Typhoon

#129 Postby mrbagyo » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:18 pm

Ed_2001 wrote:
mrbagyo wrote:Just how rare are typhoon landfalls in North Korea?

According to NOAA Database, only 4 typhoon strength TCs reached North Korean coastline/ territory (all 4 were just Cat 1, the latest of which was Typhoon Lingling of 2019)
https://i.imgur.com/5s65cUm.png


According to the database database 10 storms historically have came ashore on Liaoning province of China at tropical storm strength but none at typhoon strength. Bavi *could* become the first to do so if it misses NK.



yeah, there's none (TY) on the record.
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Re: WPAC: BAVI - Typhoon

#130 Postby 1900hurricane » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:48 pm

That's a weird spot for a typhoon.

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Re: WPAC: BAVI - Typhoon

#131 Postby euro6208 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:39 am

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WDPN31 PGTW 260900
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR TYPHOON 09W (BAVI) WARNING NR 020//
RMKS/
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
TYPHOON (TY) 09W (BAVI), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 176 NM SOUTHWEST OF
KUNSAN AB, HAS TRACKED NORTHWARD AT 12 KNOTS (KTS) OVER THE PAST SIX
HOURS. ANIMATED MULTISPECTRAL SATELLITE IMAGERY (MSI) REVEALS A 30NM
CLOUD-FILLED EYE SURROUNDED BY DEEP CONVECTION. A 260709Z SSMIS 91GHZ
MICROWAVE IMAGE REVEALS DEEP CONVECTIVE BANDING WRAPPING AROUND THE
NORTHERN SEMICIRCLE ALONG WITH A DEFINED MICROWAVE EYE FEATURE. THE
CURRENT INTENSITY IS SET AT 95KTS BASED ON DVORAK CURRENT INTENSITY
ESTIMATES OF T5.0-5.5 (90-102 KTS) BY PGTW AND RJTD. THE CURRENT WIND
RADII HAVE BEEN UPDATED BASED ON A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF A 260202Z ASCAT-
C IMAGE AND RECENT SURFACE OBSERVATIONS. UPPER-LEVEL CONDITIONS ARE
FAVORABLE WITH ROBUST POLEWARD OUTFLOW AND LOW TO MODERATE VERTICAL WIND
SHEAR (VWS). SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES (SST) OF 29 TO 30 DEGREES CELSIUS
REMAIN CONDUCIVE. A DEEP-LAYERED SUBTROPICAL RIDGE (STR) TO THE EAST
REMAINS THE PRIMARY STEERING MECHANISM AND TY 09W IS TRACKING NORTHWARD
ALONG ITS WESTERN PERIPHERY.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. NO CHANGE TO THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY SINCE THE PREVIOUS PROGNOSTIC
REASONING MESSAGE.
B. OVER THE NEXT 48 HOURS, TY 09W WILL TRACK POLEWARD ALONG THE
WESTERN PERIPHERY OF THE BUILDING STR TO THE EAST. NUMERICAL MODEL
GUIDANCE IS IN EXCELLENT AGREEMENT THROUGH TAU 36 THEN THE MODELS
DIVERGE AS THE SYSTEM UNDERGOES EXTRATROPICAL TRANSITION (ETT). OF NOTE,
THE ECMWF SOLUTION DIVERGES TO THE EAST FROM THE MODEL MAJORITY AFTER
TAU 24. HOWEVER, THE ECMWF ENSEMBLE SOLUTIONS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT
REFLECTING A HIGH CONFIDENCE (LOW UNCERTAINTY) FORECAST TRACK. AS THE
SYSTEM TRANSITS POLEWARD, INCREASING VWS AFTER TAU 12 AND COOLING (25-28
CELSIUS) SST IN THE NORTHERN YELLOW SEA WILL WEAKEN THE SYSTEM. LANDFALL
IS EXPECTED PRIOR TO TAU 24 AND WILL CAUSE THE SYSTEM TO WEAKEN MORE
RAPIDLY DUE TO LAND INTERACTION. AROUND TAU 24, TY 09W WILL COMMENCE ETT
AS IT INTERACTS WITH THE MIDLATITUDE SOUTHWESTERLY FLOW AND ETT
COMPLETION IS EXPECTED BY TAU 48. AT THIS POINT, THE SYSTEM WILL GAIN
FRONTAL CHARACTERISTICS AND BE NEAR THE JET. OVERALL, DUE TO THE GOOD
AGREEMENT IN MODEL SOLUTIONS, THERE IS HIGH CONFIDENCE IN THE JTWC
FORECAST TRACK WHICH IS LOCATED NEAR THE MULTI-MODEL CONSENSUS.//
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Re: WPAC: BAVI - Typhoon

#132 Postby euro6208 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:03 am

TPPN10 PGTW 260941

A. TYPHOON 09W (BAVI)

B. 26/0900Z

C. 34.26N

D. 124.44E

E. THREE/HMWRI8

F. T5.0/5.0/D0.5/24HRS STT: S0.0/03HRS

G. IR/EIR/VIS/MSI

H. REMARKS: 11A/PBO RAGGED EYE/ANMTN. OW EYE SURROUNDED BY MG
YIELDS AN E# OF 4.5 (WITH NO EYE ADJUSTMENT). ADDED 0.5 FOR BF,
TO YIELD A DT OF 5.0. MET AND PT AGREE. DBO DT

I. ADDITIONAL POSITIONS:
26/0704Z 33.38N 124.37E SSMI
26/0709Z 33.38N 124.20E SSMS


BERMEA
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#133 Postby euro6208 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:05 am

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Re: WPAC: BAVI - Typhoon

#134 Postby NotoSans » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:31 am

95KT is a pretty generous estimate given how weak deep convection has been. CIMSS is broken right now so can not access to remote sensing estimates.

That said, Bavi is an abnormally strong typhoon near the Korean Peninsula. Last time I saw TCs with well-defined eyes near this spot was Kompasu’10.
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Re: WPAC: BAVI - Typhoon

#135 Postby euro6208 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:59 am

WDPN31 PGTW 260900
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR TYPHOON 09W (BAVI) WARNING NR 020//
RMKS/
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
TYPHOON (TY) 09W (BAVI), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 176 NM SOUTHWEST OF
KUNSAN AB, HAS TRACKED NORTHWARD AT 12 KNOTS (KTS) OVER THE PAST SIX
HOURS. ANIMATED MULTISPECTRAL SATELLITE IMAGERY (MSI) REVEALS A 30NM
CLOUD-FILLED EYE SURROUNDED BY DEEP CONVECTION. A 260709Z SSMIS 91GHZ
MICROWAVE IMAGE REVEALS DEEP CONVECTIVE BANDING WRAPPING AROUND THE
NORTHERN SEMICIRCLE ALONG WITH A DEFINED MICROWAVE EYE FEATURE. THE
CURRENT INTENSITY IS SET AT 95KTS BASED ON DVORAK CURRENT INTENSITY
ESTIMATES OF T5.0-5.5 (90-102 KTS) BY PGTW AND RJTD. THE CURRENT WIND
RADII HAVE BEEN UPDATED BASED ON A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF A 260202Z ASCAT-
C IMAGE AND RECENT SURFACE OBSERVATIONS. UPPER-LEVEL CONDITIONS ARE
FAVORABLE WITH ROBUST POLEWARD OUTFLOW AND LOW TO MODERATE VERTICAL WIND
SHEAR (VWS). SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES (SST) OF 29 TO 30 DEGREES CELSIUS
REMAIN CONDUCIVE. A DEEP-LAYERED SUBTROPICAL RIDGE (STR) TO THE EAST
REMAINS THE PRIMARY STEERING MECHANISM AND TY 09W IS TRACKING NORTHWARD
ALONG ITS WESTERN PERIPHERY.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. NO CHANGE TO THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY SINCE THE PREVIOUS PROGNOSTIC
REASONING MESSAGE.
B. OVER THE NEXT 48 HOURS, TY 09W WILL TRACK POLEWARD ALONG THE
WESTERN PERIPHERY OF THE BUILDING STR TO THE EAST. NUMERICAL MODEL
GUIDANCE IS IN EXCELLENT AGREEMENT THROUGH TAU 36 THEN THE MODELS
DIVERGE AS THE SYSTEM UNDERGOES EXTRATROPICAL TRANSITION (ETT). OF NOTE,
THE ECMWF SOLUTION DIVERGES TO THE EAST FROM THE MODEL MAJORITY AFTER
TAU 24. HOWEVER, THE ECMWF ENSEMBLE SOLUTIONS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT
REFLECTING A HIGH CONFIDENCE (LOW UNCERTAINTY) FORECAST TRACK. AS THE
SYSTEM TRANSITS POLEWARD, INCREASING VWS AFTER TAU 12 AND COOLING (25-28
CELSIUS) SST IN THE NORTHERN YELLOW SEA WILL WEAKEN THE SYSTEM. LANDFALL
IS EXPECTED PRIOR TO TAU 24 AND WILL CAUSE THE SYSTEM TO WEAKEN MORE
RAPIDLY DUE TO LAND INTERACTION. AROUND TAU 24, TY 09W WILL COMMENCE ETT
AS IT INTERACTS WITH THE MIDLATITUDE SOUTHWESTERLY FLOW AND ETT
COMPLETION IS EXPECTED BY TAU 48. AT THIS POINT, THE SYSTEM WILL GAIN
FRONTAL CHARACTERISTICS AND BE NEAR THE JET. OVERALL, DUE TO THE GOOD
AGREEMENT IN MODEL SOLUTIONS, THERE IS HIGH CONFIDENCE IN THE JTWC
FORECAST TRACK WHICH IS LOCATED NEAR THE MULTI-MODEL CONSENSUS.//
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Re: WPAC: BAVI - Typhoon

#136 Postby doomhaMwx » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:17 am

From a basin-wide perspective, you can clearly see how North Korea and China's Liaoning Province are rare spots for TC landfalls.

On a side note... last year, JMA and JTWC operationally analyzed Lingling to have made landfall over North Korea as a typhoon, but I only realized now that JMA downgraded it to a severe TS in post-analysis :grr: .

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Re: WPAC: BAVI - Typhoon

#137 Postby Ed_2001 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:02 pm

It’s starting to drift eastward earlier than expected so Liaoning landfall not as likely. NK is now facing it’s strongest storm on record but unsure how much news will come out knowing North Korea.
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#138 Postby Ed_2001 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:44 pm

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It’s coming ashore now, further east than expected and close to where Lingling landed last year. JMA pegged at 70 knots/965mb right before landfall and JTWC at 80 knots. Historic and almost unprecedented in this part of Asia.

Much of western North Korea is relatively flat and Bavi could bring damaging winds to a fairly wide swath including Pyongyang. NK seems to have weathered Lingling last year without too much calamity but of course it might just be due suppression of information. In either case Bavi is now presenting an even greater challenge only a year down the road.

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#139 Postby doomhaMwx » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:30 pm

Rapidly weakening and appears to have decoupled as it made landfall, with the surface low emerging over the Korea Bay while the mid-level circulation races farther inland. Quite an impact to NK though, including the capital Pyongyang.

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#140 Postby euro6208 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:32 pm

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WDPN31 PGTW 270300
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR TYPHOON 09W (BAVI) WARNING NR 023//
RMKS/
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.
TYPHOON 09W (BAVI), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 128 NM NORTHWEST OF
INCHON, SOUTH KOREA, HAS TRACKED NORTHWARD AT 23 KNOTS (KTS) OVER THE
PAST SIX HOURS. ANIMATED MULTISPECTRAL SATELLITE IMAGERY (MSI) REVEALS
A FULLY DECOUPLED SYSTEM WITH CONVECTION AND UPPER-LEVEL ROTATION NOW
SHEARED AROUND TWO HUNDRED MILES NORTHEAST OF THE EXPOSED LLCC WHICH
REMAINS LOCATED IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF KOREA BAY. THE INITIAL
POSITION IS ASSESSED WITH HIGH CONFIDENCE BASED ON THE EXPOSED LLCC,
SUPPORTED BY EXTRAPOLATION OF A WELL DEFINED LLC EVIDENT IN A 262232Z
CORIOLIS 37 GHZ MICROWAVE IMAGE. THE CURRENT INTENSITY OF 65 KNOTS IS
ASSESSED WITH MODERATE CONFIDENCE AND LIES ON THE HIGHER END OF DVORAK
CURRENT INTENSITY ESTIMATES OF T4.5 FROM PGTW AND KNES AND T4.0 FROM
RJTD, AS WELL AS AN ADT ESTIMATE OF 3.8 (63 KNOTS) ENVIRONMENTAL
ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT TY BAVI LIES IN AN EXTREMELY UNFAVORABLE AND
HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT, LYING UNDER STRONG MID-LATITUDE WESTERLIES, WITH
STRONG (30-40 KNOT) VWS, AND SSTS LESS THAN 22 DEG (CELSIUS). TY 09W IS
TRACKING NORTH-NORTHEASTWARD ALONG THE WESTERN PERIPHERY OF A
SUBTROPICAL RIDGE POSITIONED TO THE EAST.
3. FORECAST REASONING.
A. NO CHANGE TO THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY SINCE THE PREVIOUS
PROGNOSTIC REASONING MESSAGE.
B. FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE FORECAST, TY 09W WILL TRACK
NORTHEASTWARD ALONG THE WESTERN PERIPHERY OF THE DEEP-LAYER STR
CENTERED TO THE EAST. THE SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO MAKE LANDFALL IN
NORTHWESTERN NORTH KOREA IN THE NEXT FEW HOURS, THEN CONTINUE TRACKING
QUICKLY NORTHEASTWARD WHILE UNDERGOING RAPID WEAKENING DUE TO TERRAIN
INTERACTION. THE THERMAL STRUCTURE OF THE SYSTEM IS ALREADY SHOWING
SIGNS OF BECOMING EXTRATROPICAL AND IT IS FORECAST TO FULLY TRANSITION
TO AN EXTRATROPICAL CYCLONE BY TAU 24 OVER NORTHEASTERN CHINA. DYNAMIC
MODEL GUIDANCE IS IN GOOD AGREEMENT THROUGH TAU 12 BUT THEN BIFURCATES
INTO TWO DISTINCT SCENARIOS. THE GFS, NVGM AND HWRF FAVOR A TURN TO THE
WEST AFTER TAU 12, EFFECTIVELY DISSIPATING THE SYSTEM OVER NORTHEASTERN
CHINA. THE REMAINDER OF THE CONSENSUS MEMBERS CONTINUE TRACKING THE
SYSTEM RAPIDLY NORTHEAST WHILE UNDERGOING EXTRATROPICAL TRANSITION. THE
OFFICIAL JTWC TRACK FAVORS THE CONTINUOUS NORTHEAST TRACK THROUGH THE
EXTRATROPICAL TRANSITION WITH HIGH CONFIDENCE.//
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