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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 99W

#61 Postby euro6208 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:03 am

THE AREA OF CONVECTION (INVEST 99W) PREVIOUSLY LOCATED
NEAR 15.5N 141.5E IS NOW LOCATED NEAR 15.4N 141.8E, APPROXIMATELY
202 NM NORTHWEST OF GUAM. ANIMATED MULTISPECTRAL SATELLITE IMAGERY
DEPICTS A CONSOLIDATING LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION (LLC) WITH PERSISTENT
DEEP CONVECTION OVERHEAD. A 270340Z GMI 89GHZ MICROWAVE IMAGE SHOWS
LIMITED DEEP CONVECTION IN THE VICINITY OF THE LLC WITH SOME LOW
LEVEL BANDING PRESENT. FURTHERMORE, THE WIND FIELD DEPICTED IN A
262351Z ASCAT-B PASS DEPICTS WEAK (5-10 KTS) WINDS ALONG THE
SOUTHWESTERN PERIPHERY OF THE SYSTEM CENTER, AND STRONGER (25-30
KTS) WINDS PRESENT ALONG THE NORTHEASTERN PERIPHERY. INVEST 99W IS
TRACKING NORTHWESTWARD AT 09 KNOTS AND CURRENTLY IN A FAVORABLE
ENVIRONMENT WITH MODERATE UPPER LEVEL OUTFLOW, WARM (30 TO 31 CELSIUS)
SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES AND LOW (10-15KT )VERTICAL WIND SHEAR. GLOBAL
MODELS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT THAT 99W WILL GRADUALLY TRACK WESTWARD
UNDER THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE TO THE NORTH, STRENGTHEN AND CONSOLIDATE.
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED SURFACE WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 15 TO 20 KNOTS.
MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED TO BE NEAR 1007 MB. THE
POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN
THE NEXT 24 HOURS REMAINS MEDIUM.
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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 99W

#62 Postby doomhaMwx » Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:58 am

PAGASA has began issuing advisories on this.

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Forecast Positions and Intensities

Tomorrow afternoon
28 October 2020 1,875 km East of Central Luzon (Baler, Aurora) (OUTSIDE PAR) (16.5°N, 139.1°E)
Tropical Depression

Thursday afternoon
29 October 2020 1,440 km East of Central Luzon (16.4°N, 135.0°E)
Tropical Depression

Friday afternoon
30 October 2020 1,030 km East of Southern Luzon (15.4°N, 131.2°E)
Tropical Storm

Saturday afternoon
31 October 2020 315 km East of Virac, Catanduanes (14.0°N, 127.1°E)
Severe Tropical Storm

Sunday afternoon
01 November 2020 135 km West of Legazpi City, Albay (13.3°N, 122.5°E)
Severe Tropical Storm
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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 99W

#63 Postby ejeraldmc » Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:00 am

PAGASA has now issued the first bulletin for this TD. They usually don't issue bulletins if the storm is outside PAR, even with the incoming Haiyan iirc...
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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 99W

#64 Postby Hayabusa » Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:35 am

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WTPN21 PGTW 271100
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION ALERT (INVEST 99W)//
RMKS/
1. FORMATION OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE IS POSSIBLE WITHIN
130 NM EITHER SIDE OF A LINE FROM 15.7N 141.7E TO 16.1N 137.8E
WITHIN THE NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS. AVAILABLE DATA DOES NOT JUSTIFY
ISSUANCE OF NUMBERED TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNINGS AT THIS TIME.
WINDS IN THE AREA ARE ESTIMATED TO BE 15 TO 20 KNOTS. METSAT
IMAGERY AT 270600Z INDICATES THAT A CIRCULATION CENTER IS LOCATED
NEAR 15.8N 141.4E. THE SYSTEM IS MOVING NORTHWESTWARD AT 06
KNOTS.
2. REMARKS: THE AREA OF CONVECTION (INVEST 99W) PREVIOUSLY LOCATED
NEAR 15.4N 141.8E IS NOW LOCATED NEAR 15.8N 141.4E, APPROXIMATELY
234 NM NORTHWEST OF GUAM. ANIMATED ENHANCED INFRARED IMAGERY (EIR)
DEPICTS PERSISTENT CONVECTION CONSOLIDATING AND TURNING AROUND AN
OBSCURED LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC). A 270656Z SSMIS 91GHZ
SATELLITE IMAGE DEPICTS LOWER LEVEL BANDING WITH DEEP CONVECTION TO
THE EASTERN PERIPHERY. INVEST 99W IS TRACKING NORTHWESTWARD AT 09
KNOTS AND CURRENTLY IN A FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT WITH MARGINAL UPPER
LEVEL OUTFLOW, WARM (30-31 CELSIUS) SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES AND LOW
(10-15KT)VERTICAL WIND SHEAR. GLOBAL MODELS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT
THAT 99W WILL GRADUALLY TRACK WESTWARD UNDER THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE
TO THE NORTH, STRENGTHEN AND CONSOLIDATE. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED SURFACE
WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 15 TO 20 KNOTS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS
ESTIMATED TO BE NEAR 1007 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A
SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS HIGH.
3. THIS ALERT WILL BE REISSUED, UPGRADED TO WARNING OR CANCELLED BY
281100Z.//
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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 99W

#65 Postby euro6208 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:47 am

TPPN13 PGTW 270907

A. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE 99W (NW OF GUAM)

B. 27/0840Z

C. 16.28N

D. 141.12E

E. FIVE/HMWRI8

F. T1.0/1.0/INIT OBS

G. IR/EIR

H. REMARKS: 38A/PBO SBC/ANMTN. CNVCTN WRAPS .25 ON LOG10 SPIRAL
YIELDING A DT OF 1.0.

I. ADDITIONAL POSITIONS:
27/0340Z 15.73N 141.40E GPMI
27/0356Z 15.80N 141.40E MMHS


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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 99W

#66 Postby aspen » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:01 am

HWRF has a TD/TS until the second half of Thursday, when it develops a tiny core and undergoes RI into a Cat 3.
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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 99W

#67 Postby dexterlabio » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:48 am

The thing with tiny TCs like this is that they can get an organized core more quickly than the bigger ones. I wonder if the rate of strengthening of this system becomes "ahead of schedule."
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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 99W

#68 Postby euro6208 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:57 am

dexterlabio wrote:The thing with tiny TCs like this is that they can get an organized core more quickly than the bigger ones. I wonder if the rate of strengthening of this system becomes "ahead of schedule."


As you know tiny TC's with an organized core can get underestimated big time. Catching up :wink:
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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 99W

#69 Postby aspen » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:02 am

euro6208 wrote:
dexterlabio wrote:The thing with tiny TCs like this is that they can get an organized core more quickly than the bigger ones. I wonder if the rate of strengthening of this system becomes "ahead of schedule."


As you know tiny TC's with an organized core can get underestimated big time. Catching up :wink:

And sometimes it can take almost a year for the JTWC to catch up.

*cough* Haigibis *cough*
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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 99W

#70 Postby euro6208 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:13 am

It's small size is a nightmare for satellite estimates. This is definitely a mid range TS right now. Unbelievable.

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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 'a' (99W)

#71 Postby Hayabusa » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:45 am

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TD
Issued at 13:30 UTC, 27 October 2020

<Analysis at 12 UTC, 27 October>
Scale -
Intensity -
TD
Center position N16°05' (16.1°)
E141°10' (141.2°)
Direction and speed of movement NNW Slow
Central pressure 1008 hPa
Maximum sustained wind speed 15 m/s (30 kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 23 m/s (45 kt)

<Forecast for 12 UTC, 28 October>
Intensity -
Center position of probability circle N15°25' (15.4°)
E136°50' (136.8°)
Direction and speed of movement W 20 km/h (11 kt)
Central pressure 1000 hPa
Maximum wind speed near center 18 m/s (35 kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 25 m/s (50 kt)
Radius of probability circle 95 km (50 NM)

<Forecast for 12 UTC, 29 October>
Intensity -
Center position of probability circle N14°55' (14.9°)
E132°10' (132.2°)
Direction and speed of movement W 20 km/h (11 kt)
Central pressure 990 hPa
Maximum wind speed near center 30 m/s (55 kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 40 m/s (80 kt)
Radius of probability circle 165 km (90 NM)
Storm warning area ALL 200 km (110 NM)

<Forecast for 12 UTC, 30 October>
Intensity -
Center position of probability circle N14°00' (14.0°)
E127°20' (127.3°)
Direction and speed of movement W 20 km/h (12 kt)
Central pressure 980 hPa
Maximum wind speed near center 35 m/s (65 kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 50 m/s (95 kt)
Radius of probability circle 260 km (140 NM)
Storm warning area ALL 310 km (165 NM)

<Forecast for 12 UTC, 31 October>
Intensity -
Center position of probability circle N11°55' (11.9°)
E122°10' (122.2°)
Direction and speed of movement WSW 25 km/h (13 kt)
Central pressure 975 hPa
Maximum wind speed near center 35 m/s (65 kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 50 m/s (95 kt)
Radius of probability circle 370 km (200 NM)
Storm warning area ALL 450 km (245 NM)

<Forecast for 12 UTC, 1 November>
Intensity -
Center position of probability circle N12°20' (12.3°)
E117°30' (117.5°)
Direction and speed of movement W 20 km/h (12 kt)
Central pressure 975 hPa
Maximum wind speed near center 35 m/s (65 kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 50 m/s (95 kt)
Radius of probability circle 520 km (280 NM)
Storm warning area ALL 600 km (325 NM)
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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 99W

#72 Postby doomhaMwx » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:45 am

LLCC has definitely gotten better organized/defined on the latest ASCAT pass compared to 12hrs ago.

Good chance for an upgrade from JTWC on 18Z.

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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 'a' (99W)

#73 Postby Hayabusa » Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:00 am

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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 'a' (99W)

#74 Postby euro6208 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:12 am

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Can we all say UNDERESTIMATED? Recon?
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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 'a' (99W)

#75 Postby euro6208 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:01 pm

TXPQ22 KNES 271511
TCSWNP

A. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE (99W)

B. 27/1430Z

C. 16.5N

D. 140.7E

E. THREE/HIMAWARI-8

F. T1.5/1.5

G. IR/EIR/SWIR

H. REMARKS...THIS INTENSITY ESTIMATE WAS DERIVED USING 4 KM IR DATA. 3/10
BANDING YIELDS A DT OF 1.5. MET IS EQUAL TO 1.0 AND PT IS EQUAL TO
1.5. FT IS BASED ON DT.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

NIL


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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 'a' (99W)

#76 Postby aspen » Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:29 pm

12z HWRF still has a tiny core RI major heading to the Philippines. However, it doesn’t have a defined TC until late Wednesday/early Thursday.
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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 'a' (99W)

#77 Postby Hayabusa » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:53 pm

12Z, 972 mb ECMWF and 975 mb GFS peak, also UKMET now develops it on the right side of the Philippines instead over SCS (but still init tracking it completely is way late than rest of the models).
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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 'a' (99W)

#78 Postby Hayabusa » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:02 pm

ECMWF now tracking it as 22W because JMA is now issuing warnings
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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 'a' (99W)

#79 Postby Hayabusa » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:21 pm

Upgraded to 22W?
99W INVEST 201028 0000 16.6N 140.1E WPAC 25 1007

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Re: WPAC: Tropical Depression 'a' (99W)

#80 Postby dexterlabio » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:33 pm

Hayabusa wrote:Upgraded to 22W?
99W INVEST 201028 0000 16.6N 140.1E WPAC 25 1007

https://i.imgur.com/vDqh4sV.png


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