ATL: ELSA - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1461 Postby Mouton » Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:57 pm

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InfernoFlameCat wrote:Elsa is seriously showing some rapid strengthening. More bands are spiraling in now as well. I wonder when an eye will start showing on satellite, maybe 12 hours?

The fact that Elsa has managed to RI over the climatologically hostile southeastern Caribbean in early July should raise concerns about its intensity farther W.

And the HWRF track brings over pretty hot waters, on top of likely some slowing down in forward speed. I wouldn’t rule out major status with Elsa.


Tad early for a MH in the gulf this time of year albeit the water temps are high, 28C seems about the norm. That said, this has the look of a Charlie as it is projected to go a bit east of that track over Cuba now. Farther east the better for knocking it down as the western part of Cuba is not a barrier. The prediction for Charlie was a run into the Tampa area before it took a right turn and exited around Orman Beach instead. Small core but seemingly building up rapidly as smaller storms can do. Recent model soundings after Cuba show cross currents at various levels which IMO may be what the NHC is relying upon to keep the intensity in check, assuming they develop as projected.

The NHC track has this one projected to go over my home in NE Florida. We are to be away till Monday evening so I need going on getting the shutters set to place right now. Weve been luckly the past few years as all storms went east of us. This one looks to be going west of here, the final path unknown at this point along with the intensity.

Interesting start to a three day weekend and I hope no one in SWF is asleep at the switch on this one.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1462 Postby Nuno » Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:59 pm

eastcoastFL wrote:Looks like the NHC will have to swing back to the left when they update the track at 5. Models showing a stronger ridge and more westward track now.


It won't be a dramatic shift imo. They'll wait for the 00z
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1463 Postby FLpanhandle91 » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:03 pm

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That looks quite intense for a low end Cat 1 hurricane, ngl


Cat 1 sustained winds with even stronger gusts is quite intense. Fully appreciated that when my hometown gusted to 60-65 mph during Isaias.


I feel like this is a fact that is lost on a lot of my friends and family who have been brushed by a hurricane or experienced conditions on the periphery of a storm. True sustained hurricane force winds, even cat 1 strength, are truly terrifying. I experienced hours of 80+ mph sustained during Ivan in '04 and my perspective has been forever changed. Wind is devastating and violent at that level.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1464 Postby Nimbus » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:04 pm

AutoPenalti wrote:
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Hurricane Mike wrote:I feel bad for the NHC. They keep saying no change in strength and Elsa keeps ruining their forecast critiques.


Someone said they are expecting unfavorable conditions once it reaches the gulf, maybe that will be explained more in the 5PM advisory. If its following the periphery of high pressure ridging and there isn't much shear from an approaching trough what is going to keep the intensity down?

That was me, and yes, the NHC are forecasting "less favorable conditions" in the gulf.


Stronger steering ridge might still leave low level shear?
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1465 Postby ConvergenceZone » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:06 pm

Even though the NHC is calling for unfavorable conditions for development once it hits the Gulf, and also some land interaction, I still won't be at all surprised if it hits as a minimal cat 1 hurricane....
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1466 Postby HuracanMaster » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:08 pm

Quite a jog to the north in the last few frames...
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1467 Postby Blown Away » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:12 pm

InfernoFlameCat wrote:HWRF shows landfall on Mexico Beach. :double:


Not Mexico Beach, @90 miles east of that area.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1468 Postby Dougiefresh » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:15 pm

Checking in from Barbados. It got pretty intense as it was passing to our south. Electricity is off as would be expected but, I took a drive around my Parish and we have light poles snapped, alot of branches and some mahogany trees down. I don't expect full power to be restored full for about a few days. Running on a generator for the time being.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1469 Postby Blown Away » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:15 pm

HuracanMaster wrote:Quite a jog to the north in the last few frames...


Certainly looks like a steady NW movement past few frames.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1470 Postby Sciencerocks » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:16 pm

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1471 Postby TallyTracker » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:17 pm

The asymmetry is astounding with Elsa! Hurricane on one side and a tropical depression on the other. Crazy stuff! :double:
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1472 Postby AutoPenalti » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:18 pm


Is that a dry slot to the NW?
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1473 Postby captainbarbossa19 » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:19 pm



That is quite the feeder band wrapping in from the SW.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1474 Postby NDG » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:23 pm

Blown Away wrote:
HuracanMaster wrote:Quite a jog to the north in the last few frames...


Certainly looks like a steady NW movement past few frames.


According to the recon's latest fix it is still heading WNW over all.
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ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1475 Postby Sanibel » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:23 pm

Bee-lining for the favorable part of the Caribbean...This system is hanging together in a place where they don't usually...
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1476 Postby skyline385 » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:24 pm

captainbarbossa19 wrote:


That is quite the feeder band wrapping in from the SW.

Been doing that all morning, took in a lot of energy from the warm coastal waters through that feeder band
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1477 Postby aspen » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:24 pm

I think they missed the exact center again…they did find 70-75 kt winds though. Looks like max winds are no longer confined to just the northernmost quadrant.

The part of the center they went through was at exactly 14.0N, so it seems to be on track with the 12z HWRF.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1478 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:25 pm

Eyewall expanding to 2 quads and becoming more distinct. probably just a temp pressure fluctuation from recon.

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1479 Postby eastcoastFL » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:26 pm

HWRF did show a slight weakening this afternoon before ramping up tonight. Looks like a bit of dry air ahead of her that she’ll probably shrug off in a few hours

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1480 Postby Category5Kaiju » Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:26 pm

The perceived NW jog could have just been a slight wobble
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