ATL: ELSA - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1821 Postby cane5 » Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:57 am

There was never too much talk about shear on m the forecasting I just think as noted by some here speak kills as they say. Motion Speed absolutely is not a dynamic for strengthening.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1822 Postby GCANE » Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:58 am

Looks to be tightening up.
Convection closer to the LLC.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1823 Postby wxman57 » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:01 am

Appears to be a poorly-organized 45 kt TS. NHC kept it a hurricane, as I thought they would, until recon finishes. Look for a downgrade on their next advisory. May exit Cuba as a depression Monday, if it can maintain its circulation.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1824 Postby GCANE » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:02 am

Anticyclone WSW of the LLC

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1825 Postby aspen » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:04 am

GCANE wrote:Looks to be tightening up.
Convection closer to the LLC.

It won’t matter if it’s going to hit The Shredder within 12 hours. It seems to be WAY east of the original forecast track, heading for the Haiti/DR border.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1826 Postby NDG » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:06 am

wxman57 wrote:Appears to be a poorly-organized 45 kt TS. NHC kept it a hurricane, as I thought they would, until recon finishes. Look for a downgrade on their next advisory. May exit Cuba as a depression Monday, if it can maintain its circulation.


If it tracks over the Sierra Maestra mountains of eastern Cuban from a SE direction it will definitely knock it down to just a depression after crossing it.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1827 Postby Jr0d » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:06 am

GCANE wrote:Anticyclone WSW of the LLC

https://i.imgur.com/D273GFw.gif


If it can stay over water, it will be in very favorable conditions and should slow down later today.

Not dead yet....but certainly struggling.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1828 Postby cane5 » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:07 am

Just my opinion the word shredder is a tad bit overused and devalues the specific areas of influence to some really undefined scientific evaluation.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1829 Postby NDG » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:10 am

Nice converging winds, the reason why convection popped again just east of the LLC.

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1830 Postby Weatherboy1 » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:11 am

Jr0d wrote:
GCANE wrote:Anticyclone WSW of the LLC

https://i.imgur.com/D273GFw.gif


If it can stay over water, it will be in very favorable conditions and should slow down later today.

Not dead yet....but certainly struggling.


Again, on its current path/direction of motion Elsa looks like she will avoid almost all of Hispanola. Likely just cross the tip of the Tiburon peninsula. If that happens … as she starts to slow down … no reason she can’t restrengthen. After that, Cuba will be real issue. All in though as of NOW, think we probably only get some TS winds and rain here in eastern Palm Beach County
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1831 Postby Shell Mound » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:11 am

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1832 Postby Vdogg » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:12 am

AveryTheComrade wrote:What happened here, why is everyone talking about it as if its dead now? Old LLC is way off to the north but its reforming under the circulation and is evidently not heading NW or NNW.


They do this every year with every storm. The instant that there's 30 continuous seconds of weakening people declare it dead and sound the all clear. I don't understand why that is, but it gets annoying at times. Stick with the major Mets and the NHC. Don't take the dramatic prognostications as indicative of what is actually going to happen.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1833 Postby AlphaToOmega » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:16 am

Hurricane Elsa is weakening, but that does not mean Florida is entirely in the clear. Storms can ramp up their intensities in the Gulf of Mexico. This is what happened with Hurricanes Audrey (1957), Alex (2010), and Harvey (2017). Hurricane Elsa might be giving those in Florida another nasty surprise, but this is by no means the only possibility. However, it is something to think about.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1834 Postby GCANE » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:18 am

Not going to take much for her to miss Haiti all together.
Going to be under a nice anti-cyclone then.

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1835 Postby wx98 » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:21 am

wx98 wrote:I’m really not seeing a major hurricane out of this at all. Moving too fast and the phantom mid-level shear could strike at any time. If I’m wrong I’ll eat my shoe :lol:


So far my shoe remains uneaten :D
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1836 Postby TreasureIslandFLGal » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:22 am

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Any chance of Elsa letting go of the first outpacing llc and opting to reform a new one under the mlc to the SE?
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1837 Postby BYG Jacob » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:23 am

wx98 wrote:
wx98 wrote:I’m really not seeing a major hurricane out of this at all. Moving too fast and the phantom mid-level shear could strike at any time. If I’m wrong I’ll eat my shoe :lol:


So far my shoe remains uneaten :D

It hasn't reached the most favorable conditions yet, be weary.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1838 Postby wxman57 » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:25 am

Looks like the plane found a small area of 60 mph wind ENE of the center. I predict NHC will drop winds to 55-60 kts in their next advisory. They'll go higher than recon found. Doesn't matter if the center crosses Haiti or not. There isn't much for the land to disrupt. Cuba will be its big challenge.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1839 Postby wxman57 » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:26 am

BYG Jacob wrote:
wx98 wrote:
wx98 wrote:I’m really not seeing a major hurricane out of this at all. Moving too fast and the phantom mid-level shear could strike at any time. If I’m wrong I’ll eat my shoe :lol:


So far my shoe remains uneaten :D

It hasn't reached the most favorable conditions yet, be weary.


I'm very weary, but I hope to get some sleep next weekend...
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1840 Postby Ian2401 » Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:26 am

BYG Jacob wrote:
wx98 wrote:
wx98 wrote:I’m really not seeing a major hurricane out of this at all. Moving too fast and the phantom mid-level shear could strike at any time. If I’m wrong I’ll eat my shoe :lol:


So far my shoe remains uneaten :D

It hasn't reached the most favorable conditions yet, be weary.

at this point it just doesent have the time, or climo on its side, even with the favorable conditions ahead. i see no scenario where this goes major
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