ATL: ELSA - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2801 Postby NDG » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:05 am

GTMO Naval Base reporting TS force winds from that outer squall coming through.

METAR for: MUGM (Guantanamo Bay(MIL), 14, US)
Temperature: 26.1°C ( 79°F)
Dewpoint: 23.3°C ( 74°F) [RH = 85%]
Pressure (altimeter): 30.00 inches Hg (1016.0 mb) [Sea level pressure: 1015.9 mb]
Winds: from the S (180 degrees) at 45 MPH (39 knots; 20.1 m/s) gusting to 55 MPH (48 knots; 24.7 m/s)
Visibility: 3 sm ( 5 km)
Ceiling: 4500 feet AGL
Clouds: scattered clouds at 2000 feet AGL, broken clouds at 4500 feet AGL, broken clouds at 7500 feet AGL
Weather: -RA (light rain)
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2802 Postby cane5 » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:06 am

Weather Channel just reported 51mph at Guantanamo.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2803 Postby wxman57 » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:12 am

Looks more impressive than it ever has on satellite. Not so with recon reports. It does have some heavy squalls, though the circulation is poor and central pressure is more like a high pressure center.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2804 Postby Vdogg » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:13 am


That COC is well north of Jamaica. Core should be minimally disrupted, and appears to be paralleling Cuba for now.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2805 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:16 am

Elsa is such a weird storm.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2806 Postby cane5 » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:23 am

One thing I will say and it’s just my observation over 60 years as a SFL native is that you have to respect any storm no matter what the time of year that comes off or close the coast of Africa. Gulf storms just have never impressed me as much.Although Wilma packed a nice punch which rambled in through Naples and into Miami.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2807 Postby aspen » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:26 am

1011 mbar for a system that looks like this…what the hell.

The NHC is probably dreading the TCR they’re going to have to write for this thing.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2808 Postby GeneratorPower » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:28 am

wxman57 wrote:Looks more impressive than it ever has on satellite. Not so with recon reports. It does have some heavy squalls, though the circulation is poor and central pressure is more like a high pressure center.


Well something must be driving the satellite appearance.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2809 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:29 am

I am still very confused, is it wind shear that is giving Elsa problems now, or is it the speed, or the position of it with Jamaica and Haiti right next to it, or is it just something completely else? I am trying to understand how on earth a TS that looks this good has a pressure of 1011 mbar, that seems unfathomable to me. :cry:
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2810 Postby gatorcane » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:32 am

Looks like it is wrapping up so maybe only a matter of time before pressures start to drop:

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2811 Postby NDG » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:35 am

LLC is racing away from the MLC once again, I placed red dot where the recon found the lowest pressure by extrap.

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2812 Postby tolakram » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:36 am

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2813 Postby kevin » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:36 am

I wouldn't want to be part of the NHC staff right now, I'd have no idea what to put in the upcoming discussions. Based on IR one could argue that it looks like a minimal hurricane, but recon can't find anything below 1011 mbar. What a weird storm.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2814 Postby NDG » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:37 am

GeneratorPower wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Looks more impressive than it ever has on satellite. Not so with recon reports. It does have some heavy squalls, though the circulation is poor and central pressure is more like a high pressure center.


Well something must be driving the satellite appearance.


A fairly well extablished MLC and great UL divergence, but LLC and MLC cannot align themselves for the intensification to get going.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2815 Postby Michele B » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:38 am

xironman wrote:Odd pattern they are flying. They blew off doing the NE quadrant.


Is the ne quadrant too close to Cuba that they can't fly into it without kicking off an international incident?
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2816 Postby wxman57 » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:38 am

Funky SFMR winds. 15 kts FL and 55 kts SFMR (flagged). Going with 45 kts max sustained wind. Was going 50 kts, but squalls near Haiti where the plane found 55-60 mph wind earlier have weakened.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2817 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:38 am

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2818 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:39 am

Ok LLC, you need to STOP RACING AWAY from the MLC and cooperate! Stick together! How many times are you going to keep doing this?! :ggreen: :ggreen:

*it was a joke, but I do think if anything the LLC/MLC alignment dynamics are the real culprit behind this, although I still am having some difficulty understanding why they are struggling to align
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2819 Postby Sciencerocks » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:41 am

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2820 Postby chaser1 » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:41 am

Everyone need take a deep breath - sit back, forget Elsa's history, look at satellite presentation, and especially the present synoptic conditions. Pretend this was a sharp wave with a vigorous mid level with marginally favorable upper level support. All that said.... I think this disturbance bears watching today, especially as it slowly moves between Jamaica and Cuba.
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