ATL: ELSA - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3421 Postby ScottNAtlanta » Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:19 pm

When it gets off the N coast of Cuba it wont have that southeasterly low level flow to deal with and it will be several hours before any shear is a problem
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3422 Postby Vdogg » Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:24 pm

Big flare up of convection and it's still on land. Things are going to get interesting once the llc hits water again. Not too much time left on shore.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3423 Postby MetroMike » Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:36 pm

DestinHurricane wrote:when is next recon?

From what I hear the recon is taking off now if not already. Prepared to observe once the center leaves Cuba.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3424 Postby Hugo1989 » Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:42 pm

The LLC is crossing Playa de Tasajera right now so I feel the structure will remain intact. Let see how the NHC will take this since the anticipated weakness never happens. A recon will fly the system tonight and you never know if Elsa surprise us one more time as she did near Barbados
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3425 Postby Sciencerocks » Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:55 pm

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3426 Postby AveryTheComrade » Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:58 pm

30 hour geocolor loop of Elsa
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3427 Postby aspen » Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:37 pm

MetroMike wrote:
DestinHurricane wrote:when is next recon?

From what I hear the recon is taking off now if not already. Prepared to observe once the center leaves Cuba.

According to Tropical Tidbits, it might not even be on the runway yet.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3428 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:47 pm

expect to see a quick jump/reformation of the center off the north coast of Cuba well before the circ over the bay makes it.

leading edge of the "CDO" is pushing offsore and the winds are parallel to the coast.. it will probably happen quickly. sometime after sunset.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3429 Postby ChrisH-UK » Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:50 pm

I think that Elsa low circulation has now wrapped up over Cuba by the looks of the radar. Eye marked in blue, image from Radarscope.

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3430 Postby eastcoastFL » Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:54 pm

Lots of rain and thunder/lightening in palm city but no wind at all. It’s been pouring for 45 mins now.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3431 Postby eastcoastFL » Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:56 pm

Some big storms up and down the east coast so far from Miami to Vero

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3432 Postby AJC3 » Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:03 pm

Based off the Key West Radar, it looks like the mid-upper level portions of the circulation are getting left behind (drifting ESE) as the LLC moves NW. I'm sure we'll see convection continue to redevelop over the actual LLC overnight, however Elsa is in no way becoming vertically stacked right now.

https://i.imgur.com/eWNtN02.mp4
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3433 Postby StAuggy » Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:04 pm

Looking at the latest shear map and shear tendency map it doesn’t appear as if there will be much if any detrimental shear surrounding Elsa in the near term. Just wondering how that plays into the next 12 hours once it’s back over water?
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3434 Postby psyclone » Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:07 pm

The system gets an "A" for consistency...a consistent organizational mess
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3435 Postby chaser1 » Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:13 pm

eastcoastFL wrote:Some big storms up and down the east coast so far from Miami to Vero

https://apps.sfwmd.gov/sfwmd/common/images/weather/noaaport/radar_flanim.gif


Soley air mass induced but this soupy deep flow can result in a tropical rain dump by itself. Late tomorrow afternoon should bring discreet cells and rain bands that will no doubt bring some damaging wind gusts along with a broader envelope of tropical downpours. I'll be surprised if there's not at least a few brief tornadic events tomm. through Wednesday.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3436 Postby weeniepatrol » Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:15 pm

chaser1 wrote:
eastcoastFL wrote:Some big storms up and down the east coast so far from Miami to Vero

https://apps.sfwmd.gov/sfwmd/common/images/weather/noaaport/radar_flanim.gif


Soley air mass induced but this soupy deep flow can result in a tropical rain dump by itself. Late tomorrow afternoon should bring discreet cells and rain bands that will no doubt bring some damaging wind gusts along with a broader envelope of tropical downpours. I'll be surprised if there's not at least a few brief tornadic events tomm. through Wednesday.


Yeah, I'm worried about the rain threat here. Wind? not so much :D
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3437 Postby ChrisH-UK » Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:17 pm

Been looking at the satellite and there is a matching area which is been rotated around. This a Clean IR, Red Band mix, you can see a blue area that been rotated around. However I doubt it will last moving over Cuba.

Rammb/Slider GOES-16 Meso sector - https://col.st/XMVFG

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3438 Postby toad strangler » Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:20 pm

Elsa was a convoluted mess shortly after passing the Lesser Antilles as a brief Cat 1 and has been ever since.
Even amidst all the it should take off after "insert idea" posts :wink:

That's how it goes in the tropics many times!
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3439 Postby chaser1 » Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:21 pm

AJC3 wrote:Based off the Key West Radar, it looks like the mid-upper level portions of the circulation are getting left behind (drifting ESE) as the LLC moves NW. I'm sure we'll see convection continue to redevelop over the actual LLC overnight, however Elsa is in no way becoming vertically stacked right now.

https://i.imgur.com/eWNtN02.mp4


True, however I'm not at all so sure the the MLC won't remain the dominant feature and end up rotating back north over night. Whether that might once again result in a new further east relocation tomorrow a.m. or not is something to possibly consider.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3440 Postby Recurve » Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:25 pm

A blob of rain with thunder just passed St. Pete and Tampa, and the satellite shows it developed at the farthest northern boundary of the outflow it seems. So I guess we are already starting to get some effects.
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