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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#41 Postby Sciencerocks » Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:39 pm

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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#42 Postby aspen » Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:40 pm


Probably a CCC. The pattern at the center with the <-90C cloud tops and tiny warm spot looks a lot like a CCC, and the east side of the cloud mass is jagged and suggests some shear is present.
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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#43 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:49 pm

Reminds me of Kammuri. I sure hope it’s no CDO. I see very rapidly rotating small hot towers near the center though so CCCs can do that sometimes.
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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#44 Postby stormstrike » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:39 pm

UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 9.0
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 13 DEC 2021 Time : 194000 UTC
Lat : 6:40:37 N Lon : 138:28:55 E


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
3.1 / 998mb / 47kts


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
3.1 3.2 4.0

Center Temp : -83.7C Cloud Region Temp : -87.5C

Scene Type : UNIFORM CDO CLOUD REGION

Subtropical Adjustment : OFF

Extratropical Adjustment : OFF

Positioning Method : FORECAST INTERPOLATION

Ocean Basin : WEST PACIFIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : CKZ Method

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : 0.7T/6hr
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF

C/K/Z MSLP Estimate Inputs :
- Average 34 knot radii : 90nmi
- Environmental MSLP : 1005mb

Satellite Name : HIM-8
Satellite Viewing Angle : 8.2 degrees
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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#45 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:42 pm

cloud tops reached -100c. Blue pixel is the -100c cloud tops
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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#46 Postby ChrisH-UK » Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:25 pm

Looks like Rai might have an eye. Sunrise should be soon to get a better view.

Source - https://col.st/Hlq5j

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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#47 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:50 pm

ChrisH-UK wrote:Looks like Rai might have an eye. Sunrise should be soon to get a better view.

Source - https://col.st/Hlq5j

https://i.imgur.com/5I8srRE.png

Not an eye. The center is located further north and west. Its just a warm spot often seen in very intense CCC like this one.
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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#48 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:52 pm

Cloud tops are even colder here. also the formation of a CDO is beginning as the upper level clouds are now rotating on a broad scale.
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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#49 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:42 pm

A sneak peek...
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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#50 Postby stormstrike » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:10 pm

TPPN10 PGTW 132102

A. TROPICAL STORM 28W (RAI)

B. 13/2030Z

C. 6.68N

D. 138.01E

E. FIVE/HMWRI8

F. T3.5/3.5/D2.5/24HRS STT: D0.5/03HRS

G. IR/EIR

H. REMARKS: 38A/PBO SBC/ANMTN. CNVCTN WRAPS 0.80 ON LOG10 SPIRAL
YIELDING A DT OF 3.5. PT AGREES. MET YIELDS 2.5. DBO DT.

I. ADDITIONAL POSITIONS: NONE


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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#51 Postby stormstrike » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:24 pm

Interesting prognostic reasoning by JTWC. A lot of “rapid intensification” mentioned :spam:

FORECAST DISCUSSION: TROPICAL STORM 28W IS FORECAST TO CONTINUE
TRACKING ALONG THE SOUTH-SOUTHWEST PERIPHERY OF THE DEEP-LAYER STR
THROUGH THE FORECAST PERIOD. SOME SLOWING IS EXPECTED AS IT CROSSES
THROUGH THE PHILIPPINES ARCHIPELAGO, BUT OTHERWISE NO SIGNIFICANT
CHANGES IN THE TRACK ARE EXPECTED. THE SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO MOVE
THROUGH THE SOUTHERN PHILIPPINES BETWEEN TAU 60 AND TAU 96, THEN
EMERGE INTO THE SOUTH CHINA SEA JUST NORTH OF PALAWAN. OVER THE
PAST SIX HOURS, TS 28W HAS CONTINUED TO RAPIDLY CONSOLIDATE AND IS
SHOWING THE FIRST HINTS OF POTENTIAL RAPID INTENSIFICATION, WITH
THE OVERNIGHT DEVELOPMENT OF A CENTRAL DENSE OVERCAST FEATURE WITH
VERY COLD OVERSHOOTING TOPS. HOWEVER, AT ANALYSIS TIME, THE VHTS
WITH THE COLDEST CLOUD TOPS CURRENTLY LACK ANY SIGN OF ROTATION,
WHICH WOULD BE A CLEAR INDICATOR THAT THE CORE WAS CONSOLIDATING.

GFS AND HWRF MODEL FIELDS SUGGEST THE POSSIBILITY OF A DUAL
VORTICITY CENTER SETUP, WITH ONE NEAR THE STRONG UPDRAFT REGION IN
THE EIR, AND ANOTHER JUST TO THE EAST. THE DEARTH OF MICROWAVE AND
SCATTEROMETER DATA PRECLUDES VERIFICATION AT PRESENT, BUT IF THE
MODELS REPRESENT ACTUAL CONDITIONS, THIS COULD HINDER THE
DEVELOPMENT SOMEWHAT, AT LEAST IN THE NEAR-TERM. THE MODELS SUGGEST
FULL CONSOLIDATION OF THESE TWO AREAS WITHIN THE NEXT 6 TO 12
HOURS. ONCE THE CORE FULLY CONSOLIDATES, EXPECT RAPID
INTENSIFICATION TO COMMENCE IN EARNEST. ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS
ARE FAVORABLE, WITH MODERATE EASTERLY VWS, VERY WARM SSTS AND
ROBUST, NEAR-RADIAL, OUTFLOW ALOFT. WHILE EASTERLY SHEAR IS
FORECAST TO REMAIN IN THE 15-20 KNOT RANGE, THE SETUP IS RIPE FOR A
RAPID INTENSIFICATION UNDER MODERATE SHEAR SCENARIO, AND THUS THE
VWS IS NOT EXPECTED TO SEVERELY IMPACT THE SYSTEM THROUGH TAU 48.
THE RATE OF INTENSIFICATION COULD SLOW SLIGHTLY AFTER TAU 48, AS
THE POLEWARD OUTFLOW CHANNEL IS REDUCED OR CUT OFF, GENERATING LESS
DIVERGENCE ALOFT, AND ONCE THE SYSTEM MOVES INTO THE PHILIPPINE
ISLANDS, LAND INTERACTION WILL SERVE TO WEAKEN THE SYSTEM DOWN TO
ABOUT 85 KNOTS. INCREASED OUTFLOW ALOFT WILL OFFSET SLIGHTLY HIGHER
VWS BY TAU 120, AND THE SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO MAINTAIN INTENSITY
THROUGH THIS PERIOD.

MODEL DISCUSSION: TRACK GUIDANCE REMAINS IN GOOD AGREEMENT WITH
LESS THAN 100NM SPREAD THROUGH TAU 96, INCREASING SLIGHTLY TO 150NM
BY TAU 120. THE GFS AND ECMWF ENSEMBLE RUNS HAVE COME INTO MUCH
BETTER AGREEMENT SINCE THE OVERNIGHT RUNS, AND NOW ARE SHOWING
ROUGHLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPREAD AS THE DETERMINISTIC MEMBERS OF
THE CONSENSUS. THE JTWC FORECAST REMAINS CONSISTENT WITH THE
PREVIOUS FORECAST WITH HIGH CONFIDENCE. INTENSITY GUIDANCE HAS
SHOWN AND MARKED AND SIGNIFICANT UPTICK SINCE THE PREVIOUS RUN. ALL
RAPID INTENSIFICATION AIDS HAVE NOW BEEN TRIGGERED, WITH THE RIPA
INDICATING A PEAK INTENSITY OF 115 KNOTS BY TAU 48. THE REMAINDER
OF THE CONSENSUS GUIDANCE IS LESS BULLISH, PEAKING BETWEEN 75-95
KNOTS, FOLLOWED BY A WEAKENING WHILE CROSSING THE PHILIPPINES AND
MODEST INTENSIFICATION IN THE SOUTH CHINA SEA. THE JTWC FORECAST
FOLLOWS THE RAPID INTENSIFICATION GUIDANCE THROUGH TAU 36, TO A
PEAK OF 100 KNOTS BEFORE LEVELING OFF TO 85 KNOTS THROUGH TAU 120.
THE JTWC FORECAST LIES 15-20 KNOTS ABOVE THE CONSENSUS MEAN.
CONFIDENCE IS MEDIUM THROUGH TAU 72, AND LOW THEREAFTER DUE TO THE
LARGE SPREAD AND UNCERTAINTY IN THE GUIDANCE.
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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#52 Postby ChrisH-UK » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:28 pm

InfernoFlameCat wrote:
ChrisH-UK wrote:Looks like Rai might have an eye. Sunrise should be soon to get a better view.

Source - https://col.st/Hlq5j

https://i.imgur.com/5I8srRE.png

Not an eye. The center is located further north and west. Its just a warm spot often seen in very intense CCC like this one.


Ahh I see. Thanks
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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#53 Postby ChrisH-UK » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:29 pm

Latest Image now the sun has risen over Rai

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#54 Postby mrbagyo » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:53 pm

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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#55 Postby stormstrike » Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:18 pm

UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 9.0
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 13 DEC 2021 Time : 234000 UTC
Lat : 7:22:39 N Lon : 137:30:36 E


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
3.5 / 992mb / 55kts



Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
3.5 3.7 3.9

Center Temp : -87.1C Cloud Region Temp : -85.9C

Scene Type : UNIFORM CDO CLOUD REGION

Subtropical Adjustment : OFF

Extratropical Adjustment : OFF

Positioning Method : FORECAST INTERPOLATION

Ocean Basin : WEST PACIFIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : CKZ Method

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : 0.7T/6hr
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF

C/K/Z MSLP Estimate Inputs :
- Average 34 knot radii : 90nmi
- Environmental MSLP : 1005mb

Satellite Name : HIM-8
Satellite Viewing Angle : 9.4 degrees
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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#56 Postby Sciencerocks » Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:24 pm

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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#57 Postby wxman57 » Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:26 pm

I thought it looked like an eye forming, too.
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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#58 Postby stormstrike » Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:39 pm

Yep, it really looked like an eye. :double:

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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#59 Postby xtyphooncyclonex » Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:54 pm

Now an STS

T2122(Rai)
Issued at 2021/12/14 00:50 UTC
Analisys at 12/14 00 UTC
Category STS
Scale -
Intensity -
Center Position N7°25′(7.4°)
E136°55′(136.9°)
Direction and speed of movement WNW 30km/h(15kt)
Central pressure 990hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center 25m/s(50kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 35m/s(70kt)
30-kt wind area N370km(200NM)
S220km(120NM)
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Re: WPAC: RAI - Tropical Storm

#60 Postby aspen » Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:11 pm

stormstrike wrote:Yep, it really looked like an eye. :double:

https://i.imgur.com/vAUbcF7.gif

No, it’s the warm spot associated with a CCC — a sign that shear is disputing Rai’s attempts to form an inner core.
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