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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#281 Postby wxman57 » Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:26 am

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Ian2401 wrote:
NDG wrote:
It was flagged, clearly rain contaminated when the flight level wind was only 21 knots.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/recon/recon_AF307-0301A-INVEST_timeseries.png

not showing up as flagged


I don't see it being flagged on Tropical Atlantic either


It was in a heavy squall. FL winds were < 20 kts. Completely unrepresentative of any circulation. Those squalls will easily produce wind gusts 40-45 kts, as can any squall in the Gulf, but without a well-defined LLC it's just a disturbance. It really does not matter whether or not it is called Alex before reaching Florida, the weather in Florida will be the same. There will be no weather associated with the exposed center when it reaches the coast near sunrise tomorrow. All squalls will be way to the east, and there won't be any wind associated with the center. Rain may be nearly over in Florida by mid morning on Saturday as the center nears southern Okeechobee.
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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#282 Postby NDG » Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:27 am

Where the recon found the lowest pressure and a slight wind shift, maybe a sign of some convection firing up to the NE of it.
Not a really good satellite presentation for sure, it has more of a subtropical look to it with the dry air punching into it.

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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#283 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:29 am

No TS Alex yet.

AL, 01, 2022060312, , BEST, 0, 222N, 870W, 35, 1002, DB
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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#284 Postby Blown Away » Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:37 am

cycloneye wrote:No TS Alex yet.

AL, 01, 2022060312, , BEST, 0, 222N, 870W, 35, 1002, DB


Large weak circulation there.
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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#285 Postby wxman57 » Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:43 am

I don't see where recon found more than 25 kts or so. This isn't a 35kt TS.
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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#286 Postby skyline385 » Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:50 am

What a mess...

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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#287 Postby GCANE » Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:03 am

Seeing a good infeed of high TPW air from the EPAC flowing across Panama and Nicaragua.
Converging in the Yucatan Channel and entraining into the LLC.
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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#288 Postby aspen » Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:27 am

The NHC made the right call not to upgrade this at 5am. I don’t know why recon found what looked like a 40 kt TS earlier and couldn’t find that now, but whatever the reason, it wasn’t permanent.

I’m getting a little doubtful this actually develops into a TS at this point.
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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#289 Postby SFLcane » Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:31 am

VW was sent out for HH this will likely be upgraded to Alex at 11am
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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#290 Postby AutoPenalti » Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:33 am

SFLcane wrote:VW was sent out for HH this will likely be upgraded to Alex at 11am

I'm confused, I don't believe there has been any indication that this is over 40kt winds but it's being classified as a TS?
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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#291 Postby Ubuntwo » Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:35 am

wxman57 wrote:I don't see where recon found more than 25 kts or so. This isn't a 35kt TS.

The second flight (overnight hours) found 47kt FL and 40kt SFMR in an area east of center. Evidently those winds were not driven by the pressure gradient, but that is what led the NHC to up PTC1 to 35kt.
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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#292 Postby GCANE » Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:41 am

My take is this ramps up a bit this afternoon.
Seeing CAPE increase in the LLC.
Dryline convection getting stronger NE of the LLC.
Convective cap is pretty much gone over FL.
NHC maybe anticipating this.
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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#293 Postby Sciencerocks » Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:43 am

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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#294 Postby Blown Away » Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:43 am

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Circulation mostly exposed, but better defined than yesterday. Almost looks stationary or WSW movement?
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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#295 Postby GCANE » Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:50 am

Also seeing a lot of cumulus forming over north Yucatan.
Should evolve into heavy popup thunderstorms later in the afternoon.
The resultant convective debris will likely entrain into the LLC in the evening and add moisture to enhance development.
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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#296 Postby AutoPenalti » Fri Jun 03, 2022 9:00 am

It's puking out outflow boundaries.
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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#297 Postby wxman57 » Fri Jun 03, 2022 9:03 am

Straight-line winds in squalls should not make this qualify as a TS, if it has them. Circulation is very weak. It may barely qualify as a TD, based on recon, but I don't think it qualifies as a TS due to an isolated thunderstorm that produced a 10-sec wind of 41 kts. Nevertheless, the NHC appears intent on calling it Alex so that people will pay more attention to it vs. "PTC One". Names are scarier. Regardless, just some rain for south FL today to about late morning tomorrow. Nothing at all will be associated with the center when it reaches the coast. By then, most squalls will have moved off the east coast.
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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#298 Postby GCANE » Fri Jun 03, 2022 9:05 am

It seems like its forming a better mid-level circulation when I look at visible satellite.
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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#299 Postby kevin » Fri Jun 03, 2022 9:06 am

Still kind of a mess, but I do think it's improving a bit now on satellite.
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Re: ATL: ONE- Potential Tropical Cyclone

#300 Postby tolakram » Fri Jun 03, 2022 9:12 am

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