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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#21 Postby Hayabusa » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:48 pm

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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#22 Postby mrbagyo » Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:23 pm

PAGASA has also issued their first warning - only expecting a TD at landfall in eastern Isabela.

i think shear and air moisture will determine its intensity, right now it's still hounded by some easterly wind shear -hence the LLC becoming partially exposed, air is also pretty dry (midlevel) east of N. Luzon.

 https://twitter.com/dost_pagasa/status/1572786609711632385


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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#23 Postby mrbagyo » Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:46 pm

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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#24 Postby Hayabusa » Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:23 am

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18W EIGHTEEN 220922 0600 17.9N 134.3E WPAC 35 1000
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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#25 Postby Hayabusa » Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:25 am

JMA TC warning
WTPQ51 RJTD 220600
RSMC TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVISORY
NAME TD
ANALYSIS
PSTN 220600UTC 17.9N 134.6E FAIR
MOVE ALMOST STATIONARY
PRES 1002HPA
MXWD 030KT
GUST 045KT
FORECAST
24HF 230600UTC 17.5N 133.0E 80NM 70%
MOVE W SLOWLY
PRES 1000HPA
MXWD 035KT
GUST 050KT
48HF 240600UTC 17.0N 128.4E 130NM 70%
MOVE W 11KT
PRES 998HPA
MXWD 040KT
GUST 060KT
72HF 250600UTC 16.3N 123.8E 200NM 70%
MOVE W 11KT
PRES 994HPA
MXWD 045KT
GUST 065KT
96HF 260600UTC 16.4N 119.0E 280NM 70%
MOVE W 12KT
PRES 994HPA
MXWD 045KT
GUST 065KT
120HF 270600UTC 16.6N 114.1E 390NM 70%
MOVE W 12KT
PRES 994HPA
MXWD 045KT
GUST 065KT =


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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#26 Postby Hayabusa » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:44 am

Latest warning 55 kt before landfall

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WDPN32 PGTW 220900
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/PROGNOSTIC REASONING FOR TROPICAL STORM 18W (EIGHTEEN)
WARNING NR 002//
RMKS/
1. FOR METEOROLOGISTS.
2. 6 HOUR SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS.

SUMMARY:
INITIAL POSITION: 17.9N 134.3E
INITIAL INTENSITY: 35 KTS
GEOGRAPHIC REFERENCE: 550 NM NORTH-NORTHWEST OF YAP
MOVEMENT PAST 6 HOURS: NORTHWESTWARD AT 03 KTS
SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT: 14 FEET

SATELLITE ANALYSIS, INITIAL POSITION AND INTENSITY DISCUSSION:
ANIMATED MULTISPECTRAL SATELLITE IMAGERY (MSI) DEPICTS PERSISTENT
DEEP CONVECTION WRAPPING INTO A LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC)
AS WELL AS EVIDENCED ON A 220552Z GMI 89GHZ MICROWAVE IMAGE. THE
INITIAL POSITION IS PLACED WITH HIGH CONFIDENCE BASED ON THE
ANIMATED MULTISPECTRAL IMAGERY AND THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED
MICROWAVE IMAGERY. THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS PLACED WITH MEDIUM
CONFIDENCE BASED ON AN OLDER 220105Z METOP-C ASCAT AND A LATER
220413Z AMSR2 WINDSPEED IMAGE. THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS ARE
FAVORABLE FOR GREATER DEVELOPMENT WITH MOSTLY WESTWARD OUTFLOW, LOW
VERTICAL WIND SHEAR, AND WARM (28-29C) SST VALUES.

INITIAL WIND RADII BASIS: PERSISTENCE

CURRENT STEERING MECHANISM: SUBTROPICAL RIDGE (STR) TO THE
NORTHEAST

AGENCY DVORAK AND AUTOMATED FIXES:
PGTW: T2.0 - 30 KTS
RJTD: T1.0 - 25 KTS
KNES: T2.0 - 30 KTS
CIMSS ADT: 39 KTS AT 220650Z

FORECASTER ASSESSMENT OF CURRENT ENVIRONMENT: FAVORABLE
VWS: 15-20 KTS
SST: 29-30 CELSIUS
OUTFLOW: WEAK WESTWARD

ANALYSIS CONFIDENCE:
INITIAL POSITION: HIGH
INITIAL INTENSITY: MEDIUM
INITIAL WIND RADII: LOW

3. FORECAST REASONING.

SIGNIFICANT FORECAST CHANGES: THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO
THE FORECAST FROM THE PREVIOUS WARNING.

FORECAST DISCUSSION: TS 18W REMAINS IN A QUASI-STATIONARY MOTION DUE
TO A WEAK SYNOPTIC STEERING PATTERN WITH A COL DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH,
IMPEDING ITS MOTION. THE DEEP-LAYER SUBTROPICAL RIDGE TO THE
NORTHEAST WILL BEGIN TO BUILD AND BECOME THE DOMINATE STEERING
FEATURE WITHIN THE NEXT 12 HOURS, FORCING TS 18W ON A WESTWARD JOG
TOWARDS THE LUZON COAST OF THE PHILIPPINES. AS TS 18W TRANSITS OVER
THE VERY WARM AND HIGH OCEAN HEAT CONTENT (OHC) OF THE PHILIPPINE
SEA, IT WILL BEGIN TO INCREASE STEADILY WITH THE LACK OF VERTICAL
WIND SHEAR, AND AN INCREASE OF POLEWARD OUTFLOW. THIS ENHANCED
ENVIRONMENT WILL ALLOW THE SYSTEM TO INTENSIFY TO 55 KNOTS BY TAU 72.
AFTER THE SYSTEM REACHES LUZON, IT WILL INITIALLY LOSE SOME INTENSITY
OVER THE RUGGED TERRAIN BUT THEN REEMERGE OVER THE SOUTH CHINA SEA ON
A CONTINUED WESTWARD TRACK. SHORTLY AFTER ENTERING THE SCS, TS 18W
WILL STEADILY INTENSIFY TO TYPHOON STRENGTH NEAR HAINAN, CHINA,
BETWEEN TAU 96 AND TAU 120.

MODEL DISCUSSION: NUMERICAL MODELS ARE IN OVERALL TIGHT AGREEMENT
WITH ONLY A 30NM SPREAD WITHOUT NAVGEM, THE SOLE LEFT OUTLIER. ADDING
NAVGEM INDUCES A 158NM SPREAD THROUGH TAU 48 AND ONLY SPREADS. THE
JTWC TRACK GUIDANCE LIES CLOSE TO ECMWF AND GFS THROUGH TAU 72 WITH
HIGH CONFIDENCE. HOWEVER, ONCE THE SYSTEM MAKES LANDFALL OVER LUZON,
THE CONFIDENCE WEAKENS GREATLY INDUCING TRACK SPREAD AND LOWERS THE
TRACK CONFIDENCE THROUGH THE REMAINING FORECAST PERIOD. INTENSITY
GUIDANCE INDICATES A HIGH SPREAD OF UNCERTAINLY. THEREFORE, THE JTWC
INTENSITY FORECAST IS PLACED WITH LOW CONFIDENCE.

FORECAST CONFIDENCE:
TRACK 0 - 72 HR: HIGH
TRACK 72-120 HR: LOW
INTENSITY 0 - 72 HR: LOW
INTENSITY 72-120 HR: LOW//
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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#27 Postby Hayabusa » Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:36 am

Latest HWRF before landfall
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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#28 Postby doomhaMwx » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:04 am

^I don't like the looks of that. When it's HWRF against the global models in predicting the intensity of a small system like this, we have seen that the former usually triumphs.
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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#29 Postby mrbagyo » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:46 am

PAGASA upgrades Karding to Tropical Storm Status.
 https://twitter.com/dost_pagasa/status/1572887775321653248


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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#30 Postby mrbagyo » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:49 am

The current forecast track reminds me of Typhoon Nalgae from 2011 - IIRC, that typhoon also started as a tiny system.
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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#31 Postby doomhaMwx » Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:22 am

mrbagyo wrote:PAGASA upgrades Karding to Tropical Storm Status.
https://twitter.com/dost_pagasa/status/1572887775321653248?t=14xH89er-Tobcyy7yahCNA&s=19

It's unusual that PAGASA is ahead of the RSMC in upgrading a system to a TS.
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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#32 Postby mrbagyo » Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:37 am

Imran_doomhaMwx wrote:
mrbagyo wrote:PAGASA upgrades Karding to Tropical Storm Status.
https://twitter.com/dost_pagasa/status/1572887775321653248?t=14xH89er-Tobcyy7yahCNA&s=19

It's unusual that PAGASA is ahead of the RSMC in upgrading a system to a TS.



yeah, I'm also not used to it but this is a nice change. They had received a lot of heat in the past due to late upgrades and conservatism.
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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#33 Postby Hayabusa » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:39 pm

Next name is Talas. A Philippine submitted name which means sharp. If 18W gets it not 17W.
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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#34 Postby ManilaTC » Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:54 pm

Hayabusa wrote:Next name is Talas. A Philippine submitted name which means sharp. If 18W gets it not 17W.


17W got it...
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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#35 Postby cycloneye » Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:59 pm

What name will be?
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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#36 Postby doomhaMwx » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:00 pm

JTWC already at 40kts. LLCC is becoming more exposed this morning though.
18W EIGHTEEN 220923 0000 18.1N 132.6E WPAC 40 1000

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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#37 Postby doomhaMwx » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:06 pm

cycloneye wrote:What name will be?

"Noru".

Wow, I just realized it's been already five years since that long-lived Noru of 2017 (S2K page).
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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#38 Postby mrbagyo » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:59 pm

JTWC is now expecting a typhoon landfall over Luzon.
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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#39 Postby Hayabusa » Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:35 pm

Latest GFS more southerly landfall.
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Re: WPAC: 18W - Tropical Depression

#40 Postby mrbagyo » Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:34 am

HWRF bottoms 18W to 952 hPa just before it crash into Vietnam.

COTC what are you doing? LOL
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