ATL: NIGEL - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#121 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:42 pm

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Tropical Storm Nigel Advisory Number 11
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL152023
1100 PM AST Sun Sep 17 2023

...NIGEL A LITTLE STRONGER...
...FORECAST TO BECOME A HURRICANE OVERNIGHT...


SUMMARY OF 1100 PM AST...0300 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...25.8N 50.2W
ABOUT 990 MI...1590 KM ESE OF BERMUDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...70 MPH...110 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNW OR 330 DEGREES AT 12 MPH...19 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...992 MB...29.30 INCHES
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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#122 Postby cheezyWXguy » Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:37 pm

Bands starting to wrap up the east side of the core now. Looking a lot more consolidated than it did this morning. Shouldn’t take long to reach hurricane status for real at this rate
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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#123 Postby abajan » Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:20 am

6z Best Track:
AL, 15, 2023091806, , BEST, 0, 261N, 504W, 65, 987, HU


Good morning, Hurricane Nigel!
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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#124 Postby abajan » Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:45 am

Hurricane Nigel Advisory Number 12
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL152023
500 AM AST Mon Sep 18 2023

...NIGEL FORECAST TO RAPIDLY INTENSIFY INTO A MAJOR HURRICANE ON
TUESDAY
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SUMMARY OF 500 AM AST...0900 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...26.5N 50.7W
ABOUT 935 MI...1510 KM ESE OF BERMUDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...80 MPH...130 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 325 DEGREES AT 12 MPH...19 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...984 MB...29.06 INCHES
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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#125 Postby ElectricStorm » Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:05 am

Looks like it's dealing with some dry air. It should be able to mix that out soon but might delay the onset of RI for a bit
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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#126 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:18 am

ElectricStorm wrote:Looks like it's dealing with some dry air. It should be able to mix that out soon but might delay the onset of RI for a bit


Also may delay or even not be cat 3 with the timing getting short to blossom.
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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#127 Postby Woofde » Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:48 am

A trick of the eye? Image
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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#128 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:02 am

Definitely got some dual hot towers going on now. Probably don’t have to wait til tomorrow for RI if this continues
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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#129 Postby ChrisH-UK » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:22 am

NIgel Is trying to get wrapped up in it convection. Nigel's best chance for strengthening looks to be in the next 24 hours before shear takes effect

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#130 Postby Sciencerocks » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:49 am

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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#131 Postby ElectricStorm » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 am

Nigel saw my last post and decided to get it together :lol: Looks a lot better than a few hours ago
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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#132 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:42 am

Definitely seeing a banding-type eye popping out from time to time. My guess is 115 knot peak.
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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#133 Postby aspen » Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:26 am

Still looks to be dealing with some dry air. I’m expecting a 90-100 kt peak, similar to Paulette and Earl. With this structure and time limit, I don’t expect anything more than a Cat 3.
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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#134 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:12 pm

aspen wrote:Still looks to be dealing with some dry air. I’m expecting a 90-100 kt peak, similar to Paulette and Earl. With this structure and time limit, I don’t expect anything more than a Cat 3.

Agreed. It seems like in cases like this where the storm’s moist envelope is surrounded by dry air, the pulse-up phase starts to tap into more of its surrounding environment, causing it to entrain dry air. Pretty sure this is what we saw with Lee at times (mid level shear exacerbated it) and a few others in recent years
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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#135 Postby Sciencerocks » Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:04 pm

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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#136 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:10 pm

The chance to be cat 3 are diminushing as it remains at 70kt and time gets shorter to intensify before it gets to shear and cold waters.

AL, 15, 2023091818, , BEST, 0, 276N, 518W, 70, 982, HU
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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#137 Postby WalterWhite » Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:21 pm

cycloneye wrote:The chance to be cat 3 are diminushing as it remains at 70kt and time gets shorter to intensify before it gets to shear and cold waters.

AL, 15, 2023091818, , BEST, 0, 276N, 518W, 70, 982, HU


Why is Nigel not intensifying? This storm seems to be a disappointment so far.
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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#138 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:37 pm

WalterWhite wrote:
cycloneye wrote:The chance to be cat 3 are diminushing as it remains at 70kt and time gets shorter to intensify before it gets to shear and cold waters.

AL, 15, 2023091818, , BEST, 0, 276N, 518W, 70, 982, HU


Why is Nigel not intensifying? This storm seems to be a disappointment so far.


Some dry air penetrating and not letting the inner core organize
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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#139 Postby Sciencerocks » Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:16 pm

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Re: ATL: NIGEL - Hurricane - Discussion

#140 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:48 pm

The key part of discussion about why the delay to intensify. Still has time to go up in intensity.

Despite seemingly conducive environmental conditions for
strengthening, Nigel's intensification appears to have been
disrupted, possibly by dry air entrainment related to some mid-level
shear. If the hurricane can solidify its inner core during the next
day or so, the very warm SSTs and relatively low shear should allow
for some strengthening in the near term. The NHC forecast has been
slightly lowered from the previous one but still shows Nigel peaking
near major hurricane intensity in 36-48 h.
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