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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion: 2 PM TWO: 90%/100%

#181 Postby zhukm29 » Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:25 pm

kevin wrote:
Extratropical94 wrote:
kevin wrote:
I have a nice overview for this :lol:. Posted it with Larry and Sam, here is the updated version for the first advisory peak intensity. Based on NHC advisories since 1998 (of which the 1998 - 2002 advisories only went to +72 hrs).

[...]


Just ran a script through the archives and found three more storms that are missing on here:

85 kt
2006 - Helene

80 kt
2004 - Earl
1999 - Emily


Thanks, I added it to my post. Now the overview should be complete :D.


Funny timing, but 11E/future Jova in the EPAC just got an M in the cone on the first advisory (although for these stats I would assume EPAC doesn't count). :lol:
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Models

#182 Postby TheDreamTraveler » Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:28 pm

Thought this was interesting in the third image he posted. Of the 6 storms that formed since 2000 where 95L is forecast to form that eventually became major hurricanes 4 of them struck the US and 2 didn't

 https://twitter.com/DrRickKnabb/status/1698804720482079004


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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#183 Postby Visioen » Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:56 pm

I sincerely hope this becomes a huge hurricane. And then gracefully miss any land.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#184 Postby psyclone » Mon Sep 04, 2023 5:19 pm

Feeling much better about this missing the Caribbean and conus. Troughing in the east has been persistent this summer. Hoping for a spectacular offshore storm to watch.. and bring some big surf to the east coast...
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#185 Postby msbee » Mon Sep 04, 2023 5:32 pm

From Rob Lightbown, of Crown Weather Services:

Invest 95-L Is Likely To Become A Significant Hurricane As It Heads For The Area Near The Northeastern Caribbean By This Weekend But Should Stay Just Barely North Of The Islands
As of 2 PM - Invest9 95-L is approximately 1,963 miles east southeast of St. Maarten (GREEN DOT). Our Chief Meteorologist, Rob Lightbown, of Crown Weather Services, AT THIS POINT, believes this system will pass to the north of St. Maarten, JUST BARELY Saturday into Sunday.
The Island 92 Weather Team is monitoring this system and will keep everyone posted. Read below for more details.
https://post.futurimedia.com/pjil/playl ... -5851.html
(Click the link above to hear the 5 PM on air update)
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Invest 95-L Located Over The East-Central Tropical Atlantic: It appears that Invest 95-L continues to become better organized today with some banding noted and a low-level center that seems to be gradually becoming better defined. Additionally, the convection around Invest 95-L is becoming more organized. All indications seem to point towards this system becoming a tropical depression probably by Tuesday, a tropical storm (its name will be Lee) by about Wednesday, a hurricane by about Friday or so and a major hurricane by this weekend. The combination of low wind shear values, plenty of moisture and very warm ocean water temperatures are going to lead to this system to eventually become a very formidable hurricane.
Track Forecast For The Leeward Islands, Virgin Islands & Puerto Rico: The immediate concern in terms of impacts from this system are for the islands in the northeastern Caribbean. All of the model guidance seems to suggest now that future Lee will pass to the north of the northeastern Caribbean and not be a direct hit. That said, the distance from the islands is probably going to be way too close for comfort and with this system expected to be a very powerful hurricane at that point, we need to be prepared in case the tracks shift to the south.
One concern I do have when it comes to the future track of Invest 95-L are the differences in the steering winds between a weak system and a really strong system. The lower and middle level winds show a southeast to northwest wind flow right over the eastern Caribbean which would easily turn a Category 1 or 2 hurricane before it reaches the islands leading to no impact. It’s the upper level winds that are a little more concerning as they seem to be pointed more towards a east-southeast to west-northwest direction, which could cause a hurricane of Category 4 or more strength to pass extremely close to the northern Leeward Islands, Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico.
My take as of right now is that this system should probably miss the islands of the northeastern Caribbean, but it’s going to be really, really close. I would put the distance that the eye of future Lee will pass to the north of the northernmost Leeward Islands at about 100-150 miles or so. This means that the future hurricane will probably still be close enough to bring tropical storm conditions and periods of heavy rainfall to the northern Leeward Islands, the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico on Saturday into Sunday.
Track Forecast As It Pertains To The Bahamas, The US East Coast & Atlantic Canada: It appears that an upper level trough of low pressure may set up again across the eastern United States by early next week. This could lead to the trough turning this system to the north well before reaching the US East Coast. The European model is the most aggressive in showing this turn leading to a potential big threat to Bermuda.
Other model guidance such as the GFS model show the upper level trough orienting itself in a way to draw future Lee further west with threats to New England and Atlantic Canada.
I want to point out that any “guaranteed” forecast of this system not being a threat to anyone or a “guaranteed” forecast of it being a threat/hit to some part of the US East Coast or Atlantic Canada should not be believed at all. We are talking about a forecast that’s still 10-plus days away and a lot can change in the weather pattern between now and then.
Any model guidance forecast for an upper-level weather pattern for a week away is not set in stone. Some things in the weather pattern that we’re going to have to watch include part of that eastern US trough cutting off this weekend into next week and a stronger than forecast over Atlantic Canada. Should this occur, it would block future Lee from heading out into the North Atlantic.
I wouldn't trust any model forecast on the location and strength of Invest 95-L this far out. I also wouldn't trust any model forecast with the placement and orientation of troughs of low pressure and ridges of high pressures this far out. Low pressure troughs can be lures as well as deflectors of tropical systems, depending on their strength and location.
For now though, I think that a majority of, if not all of the East Coast of the United States, as well as all of the Bahamas should be safe from a direct hit from future Lee. Although, huge surf with a very significant threat for rip currents will likely be a threat once we get into next week and next weekend.
I do think that Bermuda, far eastern New England (Cape Cod, Nantucket & coastal Maine) and Atlantic Canada may really need to watch the progress of this system as it could be a very serious threat to you, first for Bermuda around the middle part of next week and then possibly Atlantic Canada and parts of far eastern New England late next week and next weekend (September 15-17 period).
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#186 Postby Craters » Mon Sep 04, 2023 5:39 pm

cycloneye wrote:Believe me, I am watching from PR closely every motion 95L is doing as it will be important down the road. I am sure our friends in the Leewards and Virgin Islands are also watching.

Given this thing's future name and its unfortunately "healthy"-looking potential, I'm wishing that they weren't called the "Leeward" Islands...
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#187 Postby Blown Away » Mon Sep 04, 2023 5:48 pm

cycloneye wrote:Believe me, I am watching from PR closely every motion 95L is doing as it will be important down the road. I am sure our friends in the Leewards and Virgin Islands are also watching.


Models seemed to lock onto a general WNW track just above the islands, but that track can subtly shift W and it wouldn’t take much to bring it to the NE Caribbean. Look how Franklin kept adjusting.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#188 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 04, 2023 5:50 pm

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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#189 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Sep 04, 2023 5:51 pm

psyclone wrote:Feeling much better about this missing the Caribbean and conus. Troughing in the east has been persistent this summer. Hoping for a spectacular offshore storm to watch.. and bring some big surf to the east coast...

Me too. Maine is overrated anyway
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#190 Postby ConvergenceZone » Mon Sep 04, 2023 5:54 pm

If this does go out to sea, which is mostly likely due to positioning, strength, and current model consensus, this thread will die out pretty quickly. But as much I love to track storms, I'd rather see a thread only have a few posts rather than a strong destructive hurricane heading for land....I think most of us would prefer that also
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ATL: INVEST 95L - Models

#191 Postby REDHurricane » Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:08 pm

How's this for a strong El Niño wind shear environment right around the peak of hurricane season?

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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#192 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:10 pm

A few convection areas are popping up near the circulation. Is ready to takeoff.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#193 Postby verruckt » Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:10 pm

I don't think it's safe for anyone to call this a miss anywhere on the E Coast just yet... It's still super long range and not fully developed.

If we get to sub 5 days, and the models show it, OK. A week and a half plus? No way.

Any "miss" hints are just computer storms at this point. They don't represent reality. Especially this far out.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Models

#194 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:15 pm

REDHurricane wrote:How's this for a strong El Niño wind shear environment right around the peak of hurricane season?

https://i.ibb.co/HX6ZmKV/wg8shr.gif


Moved your post to the discussion thread.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#195 Postby MEANINGLESS_NUMBERS » Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:17 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:
psyclone wrote:Feeling much better about this missing the Caribbean and conus. Troughing in the east has been persistent this summer. Hoping for a spectacular offshore storm to watch.. and bring some big surf to the east coast...

Me too. Maine is overrated anyway


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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#196 Postby USVI-Kimmie-2 » Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:20 pm

cycloneye wrote:Believe me, I am watching from PR closely every motion 95L is doing as it will be important down the road. I am sure our friends in the Leewards and Virgin Islands are also watching.

Yeah, lots of us are... Too close for comfort :eek:
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#197 Postby ConvergenceZone » Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:20 pm

verruckt wrote:I don't think it's safe for anyone to call this a miss anywhere on the E Coast just yet... It's still super long range and not fully developed.

If we get to sub 5 days, and the models show it, OK. A week and a half plus? No way.

Any "miss" hints are just computer storms at this point. They don't represent reality. Especially this far out.



I agree, but the models are trending MUCH more that way than yesterday. If the models were all over the place, then I'd say otherwise. Like you said, never say never, but one has to like the high odds of a re-curvature. I think the main thing is keeping it east of Bermuda, that may be the difficult part, even though the Euro is trending that way. Let's keep hoping it trends further East. Really don't want to see Bermuda get in the path.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#198 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:26 pm

USVI-Kimmie-2 wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Believe me, I am watching from PR closely every motion 95L is doing as it will be important down the road. I am sure our friends in the Leewards and Virgin Islands are also watching.

Yeah, lots of us are... Too close for comfort :eek:


Tropical weather always are a changing thing and things change on a dime and we can't take for granted or as a stone a forecast or the models. My always all clear from a direct hit for the NE Caribbean islands is when a storm moves past the 20N latitude line.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#199 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:33 pm

Central Tropical Atlantic (AL95):
Showers and thunderstorms associated with an area of low pressure
located over the central tropical Atlantic about 800 miles
west-southwest of the Cabo Verde Islands have changed little in
organization through the day. However, environmental conditions
are conducive for further development, and a tropical depression or
tropical storm is expected to form over the next day or so while the
low moves toward the west-northwest at 15 to 20 mph across the
central tropical Atlantic. Additional strengthening, possibly to a
hurricane, is likely later this week while the system moves over
western portions of the tropical Atlantic, near or to the northeast
of the northern Leeward Islands. For additional information on
this system, including gale warnings, see High Seas Forecasts issued
by the National Weather Service.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...90 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...high...near 100 percent.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 95L - Discussion

#200 Postby abajan » Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:35 pm

cycloneye wrote:
Central Tropical Atlantic (AL95):
Showers and thunderstorms associated with an area of low pressure
located over the central tropical Atlantic about 800 miles
west-southwest of the Cabo Verde Islands have changed little in
organization through the day. However, environmental conditions
are conducive for further development, and a tropical depression or
tropical storm is expected to form over the next day or so while the
low moves toward the west-northwest at 15 to 20 mph across the
central tropical Atlantic. Additional strengthening, possibly to a
hurricane
, is likely later this week while the system moves over
western portions of the tropical Atlantic, near or to the northeast
of the northern Leeward Islands. For additional information on
this system, including gale warnings, see High Seas Forecasts issued
by the National Weather Service.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...90 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...high...near 100 percent.

They added that line since the last TWO.
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