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Re: ATL: MARGOT - Advisories

#21 Postby cycloneye » Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:51 am

Hurricane Margot Discussion Number 21
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
300 PM GMT Tue Sep 12 2023

After a brief hiatus, Margot has redevloped a fairly clear eye.
Cloud-top temperatures around that eye are cold enough to support
satellite intensity estimates similar to the previous advisory and
the intensity is held at 75 kt. The big change with this advisory is
that ASCAT data valid between 12 and 13 UTC revealed Margot has
grown substantially, with 34 kt and 50 kt winds extending much
farther from the center of the hurricane than previously estimated.
Microwave data also suggest the presence of a double eyewall.

There is high confidence in the track forecast for the next 3 days.
Margot should turn north-northwestward tomorrow while it slows down.
After that, there is considerable uncertainty in the strength of a
ridge that is forecast to build to the north of Margot. The GFS and
ECMWF are on opposite ends of the spectrum, with the GFS showing
Margot moving faster to the north due to a weaker blocking high.
Confidence in the track forecast decreases at day 4 and 5 given the
high spread. The NHC forecast is near the multi-model consensus, but
relatively large changes could be required to later advisories if
one model solution or another becomes more likely.

The aforementioned ASCAT passes also showed that despite the
relatively small eye of Margot, the wind field is fairly spread
out, which may limit the potential for substantial further
intensification. Most of the hurricane models seem to have a good
handle on this, showing Margot more or less maintaining its
intensity for the next several days. Weakening should begin after
3 days as Margot moves over cooler waters, wind shear increases,
and possibly its transition to an extratropical cyclone begins.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 12/1500Z 30.2N 39.4W 75 KT 85 MPH
12H 13/0000Z 31.8N 40.0W 80 KT 90 MPH
24H 13/1200Z 33.3N 41.0W 80 KT 90 MPH
36H 14/0000Z 34.3N 41.6W 75 KT 85 MPH
48H 14/1200Z 35.3N 41.6W 75 KT 85 MPH
60H 15/0000Z 36.3N 41.4W 70 KT 80 MPH
72H 15/1200Z 37.0N 41.5W 70 KT 80 MPH
96H 16/1200Z 38.5N 43.0W 55 KT 65 MPH
120H 17/1200Z 40.5N 43.0W 45 KT 50 MPH

$$
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Re: ATL: MARGOT - Advisories

#22 Postby cycloneye » Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:45 pm

Hurricane Margot Discussion Number 22
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
900 PM GMT Tue Sep 12 2023

As quickly as it re-appeared earlier today, Margot's eye
disappeared again this evening. Consequently, Dvorak-based
intensity estimates have decreased a little, with a blend of Data-T
and Current Intensity values supporting an intensity near 70 kt.
Based on recent AMSR microwave imagery, Margot still has a double
eyewall, and a SAR overpass earlier this morning indicated that the
winds in the outer eyewall were just as high as the inner one.

Margot has continued moving northward today, and should turn
north-northwestward tomorrow. Beyond about 60 h, there is a
significant increase in model forecast spread, and therefore,
forecast uncertainty. The ECMWF and GFS highlight this uncertainty,
showing very different forecasts for a ridge that is supposed to
build to the north of Margot over the next 3 days, which results in
a very different track for the hurricane. However, ensemble
forecasts from those models indicate that their deterministic model
solutions are part of a wide spectrum of possible tracks for Margot.
The ECMWF track ensemble, for instance, has approximately 27 degrees
of latitude spread between members at 120 h. We don't have a clear
reason to favor any one solution at this time, so the NHC forecast
is near the multi-model consensus. It is possible that large track
adjustments will be needed to future NHC forecasts.

For the next few days, Margot's intensity should stay relatively
steady, and this is supported by nearly every normally-reliable
intensity model. Beyond about 72 h, the track of Margot will have an
influence on its intensity, which increases the uncertainty.
Depending on the exact evolution and path of Margot, it could hold
its intensity for a bit longer, or quickly begin a transition to a
remnant low. The NHC forecast is in the middle of these solutions,
showing steady weakening, but the uncertainty in the intensity
forecast is also unusually high.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 12/2100Z 31.7N 39.6W 70 KT 80 MPH
12H 13/0600Z 33.2N 40.2W 75 KT 85 MPH
24H 13/1800Z 34.4N 41.0W 70 KT 80 MPH
36H 14/0600Z 35.4N 41.2W 70 KT 80 MPH
48H 14/1800Z 36.4N 40.7W 70 KT 80 MPH
60H 15/0600Z 37.1N 40.6W 70 KT 80 MPH
72H 15/1800Z 37.5N 41.0W 65 KT 75 MPH
96H 16/1800Z 38.1N 42.5W 50 KT 60 MPH
120H 17/1800Z 40.0N 43.0W 45 KT 50 MPH

$$
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Re: ATL: MARGOT - Advisories

#23 Postby cycloneye » Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:35 pm

Hurricane Margot Discussion Number 23
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
300 AM GMT Wed Sep 13 2023

Margot's satellite appearance has improved since the previous
advisory. Infrared imagery indicates deep convection wraps
around the center, with cold cloud tops. Infrared and proxy-vis
satellite depict that an eye may also be trying to reappear. A
recent scatterometer pass shows that the system continues to have a
very large wind field. Subjective Dvorak estimates for this cycle
were T4.0/T4.5 from TAFB and SAB, respectively. Using a blend of
these estimates and the improved satellite appearance, the initial
intensity for this advisory is raised to 75 kt.

Margot has started to move north-northwestward, and should continue
this motion with a slightly slower forward speed on Wednesday. In
about 2 to 3 days, there continues to be significant divergence in
the guidance envelope, and therefore there is higher than normal
forecast uncertainty. A ridge is forecast to build north of Margot
over the next couple of days. The GFS and ECMWF have two very
different solutions with how Margot interacts with this ridge, and
are on opposite sides of the guidance suite. The current NHC
forecast has not been adjusted much from the previous one, which
remains near the multi-model consensus aids, as there is no reason
to favor either global model solution at this time. It is possible
that larger track adjustments will be needed to future NHC
forecasts.

Margot's intensity should stay relatively steady, with slight
fluctuations, up or down, during the next several days. The
intensity guidance is in fairly good agreement in the short-term.
However, in about 2 to 3 days, similar to the track forecast there
is uncertainty in the intensity forecast as they are dependent on
one another. The NHC intensity forecast is similar to the previous
one, and lies near the multi-model consensus showing steady
weakening towards the end of the forecast period.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 13/0300Z 32.7N 39.7W 75 KT 85 MPH
12H 13/1200Z 34.0N 40.4W 75 KT 85 MPH
24H 14/0000Z 35.1N 40.8W 70 KT 80 MPH
36H 14/1200Z 36.1N 40.6W 70 KT 80 MPH
48H 15/0000Z 36.9N 40.2W 70 KT 80 MPH
60H 15/1200Z 37.3N 40.2W 65 KT 75 MPH
72H 16/0000Z 37.5N 40.6W 60 KT 70 MPH
96H 17/0000Z 38.4N 42.4W 50 KT 60 MPH
120H 18/0000Z 40.6N 42.0W 45 KT 50 MPH

$$
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Re: ATL: MARGOT - Advisories

#24 Postby cycloneye » Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:01 pm

Hurricane Margot Discussion Number 20
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
900 AM GMT Tue Sep 12 2023

Margot's eye became obscured in infrared satellite imagery a couple
of hours ago, but the hurricane still has a well-defined Central
Dense Overcast surrounded by convective banding features. A dry
slot has become entrained into the eastern part of the circulation,
between the CDO and the outermost banding. Based on consensus
Dvorak estimates of T4.5 from TAFB and SAB, the initial intensity
is raised to 75 kt.

Margot is moving northward (360/11 kt) along the western periphery
of a mid-level ridge emanating out of western Africa, and this
steering mechanism should keep the hurricane on a general
northward or north-northwestward trajectory for the next few
days. A blocking ridge is forecast to form in 2-3 days over the
north Atlantic, which is likely to cause Margot to slow down during
the middle to latter part of the forecast period. However, the
ridge may be relatively progressive, and by day 5 many of the track
models show the storm picking up some speed again once the ridge
gets out of the way. The most notable change in the NHC track
forecast is that it's faster than the previous prediction on days 4
and 5 to better align with the latest guidance.

The hurricane is currently within a strongly diffluent environment
to the east of an upper-level trough, but the environment is
forecast to evolve to an anticyclone aloft and low shear within the
next 12 hours. Continued strengthening is therefore likely, but
any intensification trend could be halted soon after 24 hours when
the hurricane slows down and potentially upwells cooler waters.
The NHC intensity forecast is above the intensity consensus during
the first day or two and is closest to the statistical-dynamical
guidance. Weakening is likely to occur after 48 hours due to
cooler waters and an increase in deep-layer shear.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 12/0900Z 29.3N 39.5W 75 KT 85 MPH
12H 12/1800Z 30.9N 39.9W 80 KT 90 MPH
24H 13/0600Z 32.7N 40.8W 85 KT 100 MPH
36H 13/1800Z 34.0N 41.7W 85 KT 100 MPH
48H 14/0600Z 35.0N 42.1W 85 KT 100 MPH
60H 14/1800Z 36.0N 41.9W 80 KT 90 MPH
72H 15/0600Z 36.9N 41.6W 75 KT 85 MPH
96H 16/0600Z 38.2N 42.6W 60 KT 70 MPH
120H 17/0600Z 40.4N 43.4W 50 KT 60 MPH

$$
Forecaster Berg



Hurricane Margot Discussion Number 21
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
300 PM GMT Tue Sep 12 2023

After a brief hiatus, Margot has redevloped a fairly clear eye.
Cloud-top temperatures around that eye are cold enough to support
satellite intensity estimates similar to the previous advisory and
the intensity is held at 75 kt. The big change with this advisory is
that ASCAT data valid between 12 and 13 UTC revealed Margot has
grown substantially, with 34 kt and 50 kt winds extending much
farther from the center of the hurricane than previously estimated.
Microwave data also suggest the presence of a double eyewall.

There is high confidence in the track forecast for the next 3 days.
Margot should turn north-northwestward tomorrow while it slows down.
After that, there is considerable uncertainty in the strength of a
ridge that is forecast to build to the north of Margot. The GFS and
ECMWF are on opposite ends of the spectrum, with the GFS showing
Margot moving faster to the north due to a weaker blocking high.
Confidence in the track forecast decreases at day 4 and 5 given the
high spread. The NHC forecast is near the multi-model consensus, but
relatively large changes could be required to later advisories if
one model solution or another becomes more likely.

The aforementioned ASCAT passes also showed that despite the
relatively small eye of Margot, the wind field is fairly spread
out, which may limit the potential for substantial further
intensification. Most of the hurricane models seem to have a good
handle on this, showing Margot more or less maintaining its
intensity for the next several days. Weakening should begin after
3 days as Margot moves over cooler waters, wind shear increases,
and possibly its transition to an extratropical cyclone begins.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 12/1500Z 30.2N 39.4W 75 KT 85 MPH
12H 13/0000Z 31.8N 40.0W 80 KT 90 MPH
24H 13/1200Z 33.3N 41.0W 80 KT 90 MPH
36H 14/0000Z 34.3N 41.6W 75 KT 85 MPH
48H 14/1200Z 35.3N 41.6W 75 KT 85 MPH
60H 15/0000Z 36.3N 41.4W 70 KT 80 MPH
72H 15/1200Z 37.0N 41.5W 70 KT 80 MPH
96H 16/1200Z 38.5N 43.0W 55 KT 65 MPH
120H 17/1200Z 40.5N 43.0W 45 KT 50 MPH

$$
Forecaster D. Zelinsky



Hurricane Margot Discussion Number 22
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
900 PM GMT Tue Sep 12 2023

As quickly as it re-appeared earlier today, Margot's eye
disappeared again this evening. Consequently, Dvorak-based
intensity estimates have decreased a little, with a blend of Data-T
and Current Intensity values supporting an intensity near 70 kt.
Based on recent AMSR microwave imagery, Margot still has a double
eyewall, and a SAR overpass earlier this morning indicated that the
winds in the outer eyewall were just as high as the inner one.

Margot has continued moving northward today, and should turn
north-northwestward tomorrow. Beyond about 60 h, there is a
significant increase in model forecast spread, and therefore,
forecast uncertainty. The ECMWF and GFS highlight this uncertainty,
showing very different forecasts for a ridge that is supposed to
build to the north of Margot over the next 3 days, which results in
a very different track for the hurricane. However, ensemble
forecasts from those models indicate that their deterministic model
solutions are part of a wide spectrum of possible tracks for Margot.
The ECMWF track ensemble, for instance, has approximately 27 degrees
of latitude spread between members at 120 h. We don't have a clear
reason to favor any one solution at this time, so the NHC forecast
is near the multi-model consensus. It is possible that large track
adjustments will be needed to future NHC forecasts.

For the next few days, Margot's intensity should stay relatively
steady, and this is supported by nearly every normally-reliable
intensity model. Beyond about 72 h, the track of Margot will have an
influence on its intensity, which increases the uncertainty.
Depending on the exact evolution and path of Margot, it could hold
its intensity for a bit longer, or quickly begin a transition to a
remnant low. The NHC forecast is in the middle of these solutions,
showing steady weakening, but the uncertainty in the intensity
forecast is also unusually high.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 12/2100Z 31.7N 39.6W 70 KT 80 MPH
12H 13/0600Z 33.2N 40.2W 75 KT 85 MPH
24H 13/1800Z 34.4N 41.0W 70 KT 80 MPH
36H 14/0600Z 35.4N 41.2W 70 KT 80 MPH
48H 14/1800Z 36.4N 40.7W 70 KT 80 MPH
60H 15/0600Z 37.1N 40.6W 70 KT 80 MPH
72H 15/1800Z 37.5N 41.0W 65 KT 75 MPH
96H 16/1800Z 38.1N 42.5W 50 KT 60 MPH
120H 17/1800Z 40.0N 43.0W 45 KT 50 MPH

$$
Forecaster D. Zelinsky

NNNN




Hurricane Margot Discussion Number 23
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
300 AM GMT Wed Sep 13 2023

Margot's satellite appearance has improved since the previous
advisory. Infrared imagery indicates deep convection wraps
around the center, with cold cloud tops. Infrared and proxy-vis
satellite depict that an eye may also be trying to reappear. A
recent scatterometer pass shows that the system continues to have a
very large wind field. Subjective Dvorak estimates for this cycle
were T4.0/T4.5 from TAFB and SAB, respectively. Using a blend of
these estimates and the improved satellite appearance, the initial
intensity for this advisory is raised to 75 kt.

Margot has started to move north-northwestward, and should continue
this motion with a slightly slower forward speed on Wednesday. In
about 2 to 3 days, there continues to be significant divergence in
the guidance envelope, and therefore there is higher than normal
forecast uncertainty. A ridge is forecast to build north of Margot
over the next couple of days. The GFS and ECMWF have two very
different solutions with how Margot interacts with this ridge, and
are on opposite sides of the guidance suite. The current NHC
forecast has not been adjusted much from the previous one, which
remains near the multi-model consensus aids, as there is no reason
to favor either global model solution at this time. It is possible
that larger track adjustments will be needed to future NHC
forecasts.

Margot's intensity should stay relatively steady, with slight
fluctuations, up or down, during the next several days. The
intensity guidance is in fairly good agreement in the short-term.
However, in about 2 to 3 days, similar to the track forecast there
is uncertainty in the intensity forecast as they are dependent on
one another. The NHC intensity forecast is similar to the previous
one, and lies near the multi-model consensus showing steady
weakening towards the end of the forecast period.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 13/0300Z 32.7N 39.7W 75 KT 85 MPH
12H 13/1200Z 34.0N 40.4W 75 KT 85 MPH
24H 14/0000Z 35.1N 40.8W 70 KT 80 MPH
36H 14/1200Z 36.1N 40.6W 70 KT 80 MPH
48H 15/0000Z 36.9N 40.2W 70 KT 80 MPH
60H 15/1200Z 37.3N 40.2W 65 KT 75 MPH
72H 16/0000Z 37.5N 40.6W 60 KT 70 MPH
96H 17/0000Z 38.4N 42.4W 50 KT 60 MPH
120H 18/0000Z 40.6N 42.0W 45 KT 50 MPH

$$
Forecaster Kelly





Hurricane Margot Discussion Number 24
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
900 AM GMT Wed Sep 13 2023

The eye of Margot has been obscured by clouds to varying degrees
overnight, but has begun to warm in the latest infrared satellite
images this morning. Recent AMSR2 microwave images reveal the
hurricane has a compact inner core, with a concentric outer ring of
convection that is broken to the northwest. Earlier scatterometer
data indicated a secondary wind maximum exists within this outer
band. The vortex is slightly tilted with height, as the mid-level
89-GHz eye lies to the southwest of the 37-GHz center. The
intensity for this advisory remains 75 kt based on consensus T4.5
Dvorak classifications from TAFB and SAB.

Margot has begun to slow down while moving northward (350/10 kt)
within the flow between a deep-layer ridge over the eastern Atlantic
and a narrow upper trough to its west. A general northward motion
should continue over the next day or so before the track forecast
becomes very challenging. Margot is forecast to become caught in
weak steering currents, with the global models showing a blocking
ridge developing to the north of the cyclone by late week into the
weekend. There are significant differences between the GFS and ECMWF
with regards to the strength and position of this ridge, which has
large implications in the longer-range track of Margot. Based on the
overall shift in the guidance suite this cycle, the latest NHC
forecast shows little net motion between 36-72 h as Margot meanders
over the central Atlantic. This is a fairly large departure from the
previous advisory, but better represents the latest consensus track
solutions. At days 4-5, most models (except for the ECMWF) show the
ridge sliding eastward, but overall track forecast confidence is
very low and larger future adjustments could be necessary.

It is possible that Margot is at or near its peak intensity. The
deep-layer shear is forecast to increase during the next 24 h, and
thereafter the coupled atmosphere-ocean models indicate the slow
motion of the storm is likely to result in upwelling of cooler
waters. In addition, the surrounding environment is expected to
become drier and more subsident by this weekend. The NHC intensity
forecast has been lowered from the previous one and shows steady
weakening beyond 36 h, in good agreement with the latest HCCA and
IVCN aids. Although this forecast keeps Margot a tropical cyclone
through day 5, simulated satellite imagery from the global models
suggests these environmental factors could cause the system to lose
organized convection and become post-tropical early next week.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 13/0900Z 33.6N 40.0W 75 KT 85 MPH
12H 13/1800Z 34.5N 40.5W 75 KT 85 MPH
24H 14/0600Z 35.6N 40.5W 70 KT 80 MPH
36H 14/1800Z 36.5N 39.9W 70 KT 80 MPH
48H 15/0600Z 36.9N 39.5W 65 KT 75 MPH
60H 15/1800Z 36.7N 39.4W 60 KT 70 MPH
72H 16/0600Z 36.5N 39.7W 55 KT 65 MPH
96H 17/0600Z 36.5N 42.5W 45 KT 50 MPH
120H 18/0600Z 38.0N 43.0W 40 KT 45 MPH

$$
Forecaster Reinhart




Hurricane Margot Discussion Number 25
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
Issued by the NWS Weather Prediction Center College Park MD
300 PM GMT Wed Sep 13 2023

Margot continues to exhibit a double eyewall structure based on
a recent SAR pass over the storm, with a well-defined inner core.
GOES-16 IR data shows the inner-eye feature occasionally obscured by
clouds, but overall the organization of Margot has changed little
over the last several hours. The latest microwave data in
conjunction with the SAR pass suggests the initial intensity may be
just a tad stronger compared to continuity, and so it will be set at
80 kt for this advisory.

Margot is slowing down as it moves within the flow between a
deep-layer ridge over the eastern Atlantic and a narrow upper trough
to its west. A general north to north-northwest motion should
continue over the next day or so before the track forecast becomes
very challenging. Margot is expected to become caught in weak
steering currents, with the global models showing a blocking ridge
developing to the north of the cyclone by late week into the
weekend. There are significant differences between the GFS and ECMWF
with regards to the strength and position of this ridge, which has
large implications in the longer-range track of Margot. The overall
consensus of the guidance suggests that Margot could make a
clockwise loop as the ridge builds, and the latest NHC forecast
shows little net motion between 36-72 hrs as the cyclone meanders
over the central Atlantic. At days 4-5, most models (except for the
ECMWF) show the ridge sliding eastward, allowing for Margot to
gain latitude, and the overall track forecast confidence remains
low.

The deep-layer shear is forecast to increase during the next 24 to
36 hrs, and this coupled with a likelihood of the upwelling of
cooler waters should result in a weakening trend. Drier air
surrounding the storm will also be a factor in causing a weakening
cyclone going into the weekend. The NHC intensity forecast is close
to the previous forecast and shows gradual decrease in strength
through 72 hrs, and in good agreement with the consensus of the
intensity aids. Although this forecast keeps Margot a tropical
cyclone through day 5, simulated satellite imagery from the global
models suggests these environmental factors could cause the system
to lose organized convection and become post-tropical early next
week as the storm lingers west of the Azores.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 13/1500Z 34.1N 40.4W 80 KT 90 MPH
12H 14/0000Z 35.0N 40.7W 75 KT 85 MPH
24H 14/1200Z 36.0N 40.2W 75 KT 85 MPH
36H 15/0000Z 36.8N 39.5W 70 KT 80 MPH
48H 15/1200Z 36.9N 39.4W 65 KT 75 MPH
60H 16/0000Z 36.5N 39.4W 60 KT 70 MPH
72H 16/1200Z 36.3N 40.2W 50 KT 60 MPH
96H 17/1200Z 36.0N 42.5W 45 KT 50 MPH
120H 18/1200Z 38.0N 42.5W 45 KT 50 MPH

$$
Forecaster Orrison/Blake




Hurricane Margot Discussion Number 26
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
Issued by the NWS Weather Prediction Center College Park MD
900 PM GMT Wed Sep 13 2023

Very little change is noted with Margot's convective structure
since the last advisory. The cyclone continues to exhibit a double
eyewall structure based on a 1527Z AMSR-2 pass, and Margot's eye
still occasionally appears in conventional GOES-16 IR and VIS
imagery. Given the lack of change with the hurricane's internal
structure and appearance, the intensity will be maintained at 80 kt
for this advisory. The motion has bent just slightly to the right
since this morning and is now moving due north at 6 kt.

Margot continues to gradually slow down as it moves within the flow
between a deep-layer ridge over the eastern Atlantic and a narrow
upper trough to its west. A general northward motion should continue
over the next day or so before the track forecast becomes very
challenging. Margot will then become caught in weak steering
currents, with the global models showing a blocking ridge developing
to the north of the cyclone by late week into the weekend. There
remain notable differences between the GFS and ECMWF with regards to
the strength and position of this ridge, which has large
implications in the longer-range track of Margot, but there has been
some tightening of the model consensus since this morning. This
supports the storm making a gradual clockwise loop between 36-72 hrs
as the ridge initially builds north of the cyclone and then slides
off to the east. By 120 hrs, the storm will likely begin
accelerating off to the northeast as it gets picked up by the
westerlies, but the overall track forecast confidence remains low
given the model spread late in the forecast period.

Increasing deep-layer shear during the next 24 to 36 hrs,
entrainment of drier air, and a likelihood of Margot upwelling
cooler waters should result in a steady weakening of the cyclone
going through the end of the week and into the weekend. The NHC
intensity forecast is close to the previous one and shows a gradual
decrease in strength through 72 hrs, in good agreement with the
consensus of the intensity aids. Although this forecast keeps Margot
a tropical cyclone through day 5, simulated satellite imagery from
the global models suggests these increasingly hostile environmental
factors could cause the system to lose organized convection and
become post-tropical by early next week as the storm lingers west
of the Azores.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 13/2100Z 34.7N 40.6W 80 KT 90 MPH
12H 14/0600Z 35.5N 40.6W 75 KT 85 MPH
24H 14/1800Z 36.4N 40.0W 70 KT 80 MPH
36H 15/0600Z 36.7N 39.5W 65 KT 75 MPH
48H 15/1800Z 36.5N 39.4W 65 KT 75 MPH
60H 16/0600Z 36.0N 39.9W 60 KT 70 MPH
72H 16/1800Z 35.6N 41.0W 50 KT 60 MPH
96H 17/1800Z 36.5N 43.0W 45 KT 50 MPH
120H 18/1800Z 39.5N 41.5W 45 KT 50 MPH

$$
Forecaster Orrison/Blake

NNNN



Hurricane Margot Discussion Number 27
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
300 AM GMT Thu Sep 14 2023

Margot's satellite depiction has become more ragged during the last
few hours. An earlier microwave pass showed that the center was
partially opened on the northern and western sides of the system.
Dry air is beginning to wrap into the center of the system, which
has caused some of the banding features to become broken. The center
has been cloud filled since the previous advisory, with overall
warming cloud tops. Satellite Dvorak current intensity estimates
were both 4.5 from TAFB and SAB. Given these estimates and the
degraded satellite depiction, the initial intensity for this
advisory is lowered to 75 kt.

Margot continues to gradually slow down as it moves within the flow
between a deep-layer ridge over the eastern Atlantic and an upper
trough to its west. A general northward motion should continue over
the next day or so. The steering pattern becomes fairly weak with a
blocking ridge to the north of the system, causing Margot to meander
over the north Atlantic and make a gradual clockwise loop over the
next 2 to 3 days. There are still some large differences in the
guidance envelope in the long term, but slightly better agreement
than 24 h ago. By the end of the period, the storm will likely
begin accelerating off to the east-northeast as it gets picked up by
the westerlies, but the overall track forecast confidence remains
low given the model spread.

Margot's convective structure has degraded this evening. The system
is entering a less favorable environment, with dry air entrainment
beginning to erode some of the structure. Deep-layer shear is also
forecast to increase, and upwelling of cooler waters due to the lack
of forward motion should result in weakening of the system through
the weekend. The NHC intensity forecast is similar to the previous
advisory and lies near the corrected consensus aids, the HCCA and
IVCN. Although the forecast keeps Margot a tropical cyclone through
day 5, simulated satellite imagery from the global models suggests
these increasingly hostile environmental factors could cause the
system to lose organized convection and become post-tropical sooner.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 14/0300Z 35.2N 40.5W 75 KT 85 MPH
12H 14/1200Z 35.9N 40.2W 70 KT 80 MPH
24H 15/0000Z 36.4N 39.6W 65 KT 75 MPH
36H 15/1200Z 36.4N 39.3W 60 KT 70 MPH
48H 16/0000Z 36.1N 39.6W 55 KT 65 MPH
60H 16/1200Z 35.6N 40.5W 50 KT 60 MPH
72H 17/0000Z 35.5N 41.7W 45 KT 50 MPH
96H 18/0000Z 37.2N 43.2W 45 KT 50 MPH
120H 19/0000Z 40.4N 40.2W 45 KT 50 MPH

$$
Forecaster Kelly



Hurricane Margot Discussion Number 28
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
900 AM GMT Thu Sep 14 2023

The satellite structure of Margot has continued to deteriorate. The
low-level center has been partially exposed in GOES-16 proxy-visible
satellite images, and recent AMSR2 microwave data show the inner
core convection has eroded. These changes appear to be the result of
some southwesterly shear over the system and dry air intrusions into
the circulation. Presently, deep convection is limited to a couple
of curved bands that wrap around the northern portion of the system.
The objective and subjective satellite intensity estimates have
markedly decreased, and the initial intensity is lowered to 65 kt,
in best agreement with recent UW-CIMSS SATCON and TAFB Dvorak
current intensity estimates. However, this could be generous given
the rapidly degrading satellite presentation.

Margot continues to slow down this morning, and it appears the
center has recently turned north-northeastward (015/5 kt). The
cyclone is likely to stall and meander over the next couple of days
in response to a building ridge to its north and west. In general,
the track models agree that Margot will make a gradual clockwise
loop while it pivots around the ridge that is forecast to slowly
slide eastward over the weekend. However, there is still large
spread in the various model solutions while the steering currents
remain weak. The updated NHC forecast tries to reflect the latest
trends of the multi-model consensus aids and shows little movement
between 12-60 h. By early next week, the ridge should become
re-positioned to the east of Margot, allowing the system to turn
northward and become caught up in the mid-latitude westerlies.

In addition to the ongoing shear, several factors suggest Margot is
likely to continue weakening during the next several days. The
cyclone is over marginal SSTs, and the coupled atmosphere-ocean
models indicate the slow-moving storm is likely to upwell even
cooler waters while it meanders over the central Atlantic. Also,
more bouts of dry air entrainment within a drier and more subsident
environment will make it difficult for Margot to sustain convection
near its center, as suggested by the GFS and ECMWF simulated
satellite imagery. The NHC forecast shows continued weakening
through early next week with Margot becoming extratropical in 120 h
while accelerating into the mid-latitudes. Although not explicitly
forecast, it is noted that the hostile conditions could render
Margot devoid of deep convection even sooner.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 14/0900Z 35.9N 40.3W 65 KT 75 MPH
12H 14/1800Z 36.4N 39.8W 60 KT 70 MPH
24H 15/0600Z 36.6N 39.2W 55 KT 65 MPH
36H 15/1800Z 36.4N 39.0W 55 KT 65 MPH
48H 16/0600Z 35.9N 39.5W 50 KT 60 MPH
60H 16/1800Z 35.4N 40.6W 50 KT 60 MPH
72H 17/0600Z 35.2N 42.0W 45 KT 50 MPH
96H 18/0600Z 37.5N 43.3W 45 KT 50 MPH
120H 19/0600Z 40.5N 39.0W 40 KT 45 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP

$$
Forecaster Reinhart



Hurricane Margot Discussion Number 29
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
Issued by the NWS Weather Prediction Center College Park MD
300 PM GMT Thu Sep 14 2023

The double-eyewall structure of Margot has changed this morning,
with the inner-eye almost completely dissipated, and the outer
eyewall has taken over as the dominant feature. This is confirmed
by scatterometer data from ASCAT-B and a SAR pass around 9 UTC. The
initial wind speed is set to 70 kt, a compromise between higher SAR
estimates and Dvorak values closer to 65 kt. Note that the
hurricane- and storm-force wind radii have been changed/expanded
significantly due to the SAR/scatterometer data.

Margot has turned further to the right, or 030/5. A blocking ridge
over the north-central Atlantic should force Margot to slow down
and execute a clockwise loop during the next few days. After the
ridge shifts eastward, the hurricane could gain some latitude and
begin to move more to the northeast at the end of the forecast
period. Model guidance is coming into better agreement on this
solution, although there is considerable spread at long range with
the GFS faster and more to the northeast than the ECMWF-based
guidance. The new NHC forecast is shifted southward in the near
term with the GFS coming more into line with the other guidance,
and ends up in almost the same spot as the last forecast by day 5.

The hurricane should gradually weaken as the large system slows
down and upwells cooler water, along with Margot crossing over its
own path. Additionally, there is plenty of mid-level dry air in
the surrounding environment that could be mixed in the core
eventually. The updated forecast is adjusted higher initially
because of the current intensity, but is blended back with the
previous forecast and consensus aids at longer term. Margot could
become a post-tropical cyclone without deep convection early next
week, but it really depends on how it handles the more hostile
conditions. Given how resilient this season's tropical cyclones
have been, it could be optimistic that Margot is post-tropical on
day 5.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 14/1500Z 36.5N 39.8W 70 KT 80 MPH
12H 15/0000Z 36.8N 39.3W 65 KT 75 MPH
24H 15/1200Z 36.7N 38.9W 65 KT 75 MPH
36H 16/0000Z 36.2N 38.8W 60 KT 70 MPH
48H 16/1200Z 35.5N 39.5W 55 KT 65 MPH
60H 17/0000Z 35.0N 41.0W 50 KT 60 MPH
72H 17/1200Z 35.1N 42.3W 45 KT 50 MPH
96H 18/1200Z 37.5N 43.3W 45 KT 50 MPH
120H 19/1200Z 40.0N 39.0W 45 KT 50 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP

$$
Forecaster Fracasso/Blake



Hurricane Margot Discussion Number 30
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
Issued by the NWS Weather Prediction Center College Park MD
900 PM GMT Thu Sep 14 2023

An inner eyewall redeveloped today, with the outer eyewall
persisting. Outflow is well-established to Margot's north and
northeast, near the base of a shortwave trough in the northeast
Atlantic. Vertical wind shear over the hurricane appears modest and
not enough to cause additional weakening. The initial wind speed
remains set to 70 kt, a compromise between the earlier higher SAR
estimates and Dvorak values closer to 65 kt, as Margot does not
appear to have degraded today.

Margot has turned further to the right, or 050/4. A blocking ridge
over the north-central Atlantic should force Margot to slow down and
execute a clockwise loop during the next few days. After the ridge
shifts eastward, the hurricane should gain some latitude and begin
to move more to the northeast at the end of the forecast period.
Model guidance is in good agreement on this general idea, although
there is considerable spread at long range with the GFS faster and
more to the northeast than the ECMWF-based guidance. The new
forecast remains close to continuity, near or just behind the model
consensus.

The hurricane should gradually weaken as the large system slows down
and upwells cooler water, along with it crossing over its own cold
wake. Simulated satellite imagery indicates that over the weekend,
Margot could be struggling to maintain convection near its center.
There is plenty of mid-level dry air in the surrounding environment,
as it navigates around the center of a warm-core high, which could
be mixed in the core. Margot could become a post-tropical cyclone
without deep convection early next week, but that really depends on
how it handles the more hostile conditions and if it can regain
convection as it tries to escape into the westerlies. Given how
resilient this season's tropical cyclones have been, it could be
optimistic that Margot is post-tropical on day 5.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 14/2100Z 36.9N 39.3W 70 KT 80 MPH
12H 15/0600Z 36.9N 38.9W 65 KT 75 MPH
24H 15/1800Z 36.4N 38.8W 65 KT 75 MPH
36H 16/0600Z 35.8N 39.2W 60 KT 70 MPH
48H 16/1800Z 35.4N 40.4W 50 KT 60 MPH
60H 17/0600Z 35.4N 41.8W 45 KT 50 MPH
72H 17/1800Z 35.7N 43.3W 45 KT 50 MPH
96H 18/1800Z 38.6N 42.6W 50 KT 60 MPH
120H 19/1800Z 40.2N 37.9W 45 KT 50 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP

$$
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Re: ATL: MARGOT - Advisories

#25 Postby cycloneye » Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:33 pm

Hurricane Margot Discussion Number 31
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
300 AM GMT Fri Sep 15 2023


The satellite depiction of Margot has become more ragged this
evening. After a brief increase in convection earlier today, recent
infrared imagery shows that the convective banding has become more
broken as dry air wraps into the system. The system has also crossed
over a tongue of cooler SSTs, which is limiting deep convection.
With what convection remains the cloud tops have been warming the
past few hours. Subjective Dvorak satellite estimates were CI
3.5/4.0 from SAB and TAFB, respectively. Given the satellite
depiction and the current intensity satellite estimates, the initial
intensity is lowered to 65 kt for this advisory.

Margot has started to make the forecasted clockwise loop in the
central Atlantic, with a current estimated motion of 070/3 kt. A
ridge over the north Atlantic is responsible for Margot slowing
down and then starting a clockwise loop which will last the next
few days. The aforementioned ridge will eventually shift eastward
and Margot should then begin to more northeastward towards the end
of the forecast period. While the overall track pattern has come
into better agreement, there remains along-track speed differences,
with the GFS being the fastest and further northeast. No big changes
to the track forecast were made from the previous one, with only
slight adjustments to trend towards the model consensus aids.

Margot is encountering a fairly hostile environment with low
mid-level relative humidity values and moderate wind shear. Margot
has also crossed a cold tongue of SSTs in the central Atlantic, and
given the slow motion it will also cross its own upwelled cooler
wake. Given the unfavorable conditions, the system should continue
to gradually weaken throughout the period, likely becoming a
tropical storm in the next 12-24 h. Margot should become a
post-tropical cyclone at some point early next week. However, model
simulated satellite still depicts bursts of convection from time to
time, and until there is better agreement, the official forecast
keeps the post-tropical extratropical transition at Day 5, although
this could occur sooner.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 15/0300Z 36.9N 38.9W 65 KT 75 MPH
12H 15/1200Z 36.7N 38.7W 60 KT 70 MPH
24H 16/0000Z 36.1N 38.8W 60 KT 70 MPH
36H 16/1200Z 35.6N 39.5W 55 KT 65 MPH
48H 17/0000Z 35.4N 41.1W 45 KT 50 MPH
60H 17/1200Z 35.5N 42.5W 45 KT 50 MPH
72H 18/0000Z 36.5N 43.3W 45 KT 50 MPH
96H 19/0000Z 39.2N 41.0W 45 KT 50 MPH
120H 20/0000Z 40.1N 35.5W 40 KT 45 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP

$$
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Re: ATL: MARGOT - Advisories

#26 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:09 am

Tropical Storm Margot Discussion Number 32
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
900 AM GMT Fri Sep 15 2023

Margot is producing small, intermittent bursts of convection near
its partially exposed low-level center this morning. An ASCAT pass
over the western portion of the circulation from last night showed
that the winds within the max wind band have decreased by about
10-15 kt from 24 h ago, with peak vectors slightly above 50 kt.
These data and the current satellite presentation indicate Margot is
likely no longer a hurricane. The initial intensity is lowered to 60
kt for this advisory, which remains above the highest available
satellite intensity estimates.

The tropical storm is drifting east-southeastward (115/3 kt) within
weak steering currents, as a mid-level ridge continues to build over
the north Atlantic. Margot is forecast to make a clockwise loop
while it pivots around this ridge during the next couple of days.
The latest NHC forecast shows a slightly broader loop that is
consistent with the latest multi-model consensus aids. By early next
week, the ridge is forecast to become oriented to the east and south
of Margot, and the cyclone should turn northward and then eastward
within the flow between this feature and mid-latitude westerlies.
There is greater uncertainty in the long-range track forecast given
mixed signals in the global guidance as to whether Margot gets fully
caught in the westerlies (GFS) or stays farther south and continues
to meander over the central Atlantic (ECMWF). For now, the NHC
forecast is held near the simple consensus aids.

Margot is likely to continue weakening during the next couple of
days while it meanders over its own cool wake of sub-26C SSTs in an
increasingly dry and stable airmass. By Sunday, it could briefly
encounter slightly warmer waters while moving westward, but the
upper-level winds do not appear very conducive for much
strengthening. In fact, the GFS and ECMWF simulated satellite
imagery suggest Margot could struggle at times to sustain enough
organized convection to remain a tropical cyclone. While the
guidance suite suggests some minor intensity fluctuations are
possible during this period, the NHC intensity forecast remains
steady between 48-96 h in agreement with the IVCN consensus aid.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 15/0900Z 36.7N 38.6W 60 KT 70 MPH
12H 15/1800Z 36.3N 38.5W 60 KT 70 MPH
24H 16/0600Z 35.7N 38.8W 55 KT 65 MPH
36H 16/1800Z 35.1N 40.1W 50 KT 60 MPH
48H 17/0600Z 34.8N 41.6W 45 KT 50 MPH
60H 17/1800Z 35.3N 43.0W 45 KT 50 MPH
72H 18/0600Z 36.5N 43.6W 45 KT 50 MPH
96H 19/0600Z 39.5N 40.0W 45 KT 50 MPH
120H 20/0600Z 40.0N 34.0W 40 KT 45 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP

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Re: ATL: MARGOT - Advisories

#27 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:59 am

Tropical Storm Margot Discussion Number 33
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
300 PM GMT Fri Sep 15 2023

Margot continues to produce small bursts of convection near the
estimated low-level center location. Microwave imagery from 0923
UTC showed some fragmented curved bands in the northeastern quadrant
of the storm. Around 1200 UTC, satellite-derived surface winds
measured the eastern portion of the circulation and revealed peak
winds of 44 kt and a significant expansion of tropical-storm-force
winds to the north. Based on these data, and subjective and
objective satellite estimates, the intensity is lowered to a
possibly generous 55 kt.

The tropical storm is drifting southeastward (135/4 kt) around a
building mid-level ridge over the northern Atlantic. Margot is
expected to move in a clockwise loop around the ridge during the
next couple of days or so. The latest NHC forecast shows a slightly
broader loop that lies between the previous forecast and the various
multi-model consensus aids. By Monday, Margot should turn northward
and then eastward as it moves around the periphery of the ridge.
The model guidance at days 4 and 5 has a large spread in the
along-track position (the forward speed) of Margot and therefore,
the track forecast has greater-than-average uncertainty. The
official prediction lies between the previous forecast and the
simple consensus aids at those times.

Margot is expected to continue to gradually weaken during the next
couple of days as the vertical wind shear increases and the cyclone
moves into an increasingly dry and stable airmass. Simulated
satellite imagery from global models shows periodic bursts of
convection through day 4, and the storm is expected to become
extratropical by the end of the forecast period. While the official
forecast shows Margot's intensity holding steady between 48-96 h,
some minor fluctuations are possible during this time.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 15/1500Z 36.3N 38.2W 55 KT 65 MPH
12H 16/0000Z 35.8N 38.2W 50 KT 60 MPH
24H 16/1200Z 35.1N 39.0W 50 KT 60 MPH
36H 17/0000Z 34.6N 40.5W 45 KT 50 MPH
48H 17/1200Z 34.8N 42.0W 40 KT 45 MPH
60H 18/0000Z 35.6N 43.0W 40 KT 45 MPH
72H 18/1200Z 37.0N 42.6W 40 KT 45 MPH
96H 19/1200Z 39.5N 38.0W 40 KT 45 MPH
120H 20/1200Z 39.6N 32.0W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP

$$
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Re: ATL: MARGOT - Advisories

#28 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 15, 2023 3:58 pm

Tropical Storm Margot Discussion Number 34
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
900 PM GMT Fri Sep 15 2023

Margot has changed little in appearance since the last advisory.
Visible imagery still shows a broad and robust low-level circulation
with occasional bursts of convection near the center. A couple
microwave passes over the past few hours showed some fragmented
curved bands in the northeast quadrant. Given little change in
appearance, the initial intensity is held at 55 kt, closest to the
TAFB Dvorak estimate.

The tropical storm is still drifting southeastward at 4 kt. Margot
is on the southeast side of a building mid-level ridge and expected
to complete a clockwise turn by Sunday. Early next week, the storm
should begin a northward motion followed by a turn to the east. By
days 4 and 5 there is more uncertainty in the track forecast. The
model guidance has shifted south and trended slower than the
previous NHC track forecast. The biggest changes in the track
forecast for this advisory show a noticeable shift to the south and
a decrease in forward motion late in the forecast period.

Environmental conditions are relatively hostile and should cause a
continued weakening trend. Still, marginal sea surface temperatures
could lead to periodic flares of convection. Therefore, the latest
NHC intensity forecast shows a gradual weakening associated with the
expected spin down. Margot is still expected to become a
post-tropical cyclone by day 5.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 15/2100Z 36.0N 37.9W 55 KT 65 MPH
12H 16/0600Z 35.5N 38.1W 50 KT 60 MPH
24H 16/1800Z 34.8N 39.5W 45 KT 50 MPH
36H 17/0600Z 34.6N 41.0W 45 KT 50 MPH
48H 17/1800Z 35.2N 42.4W 40 KT 45 MPH
60H 18/0600Z 36.2N 42.7W 40 KT 45 MPH
72H 18/1800Z 37.9N 41.4W 40 KT 45 MPH
96H 19/1800Z 39.2N 36.0W 40 KT 45 MPH
120H 20/1800Z 39.0N 31.2W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP

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Re: ATL: MARGOT - Advisories

#29 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:41 pm

Tropical Storm Margot Discussion Number 35
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
300 AM GMT Sat Sep 16 2023

Margot's satellite presentation has changed little since the
previous advisory. A timely ASCAT-B overpass revealed peak winds of
around 50 kt, and a rather expansive wind field over the northern
semicircle of the storm. Since there is typically some
undersampling from the ASCAT instrument, the initial intensity
remains 55 kt for this advisory. This intensity is also in line
with the latest TAFB Dvorak intensity estimate of T3.5 or 55 kt.

Margot is moving south-southwestward at about 4 kt. The tropical
storm should turn southwestward to westward during the next day or
so as it completes a clockwise loop to the south of a mid-level
ridge. By early next week, the ridge should continue to slide
eastward allowing Margot to turn northward, and then east-
northeastward later in the period. The track guidance has again
trended toward a more southern and slower solution near the end of
the period, and the official forecast has been adjusted
accordingly.

Northerly vertical wind shear, marginal sea surface temperatures,
and dry air entrainment are expected to cause gradual weakening
during the next couple of days. Margot may struggle to produce
organized deep convection in a couple of days, but an approaching
mid-latitude trough may aid in at least a continuation of convective
bursts keeping Margot a tropical cyclone. By day 4, Margot is
forecast to be post-tropical as simulated satellite imagery from the
global models suggest the system will become devoid of convection
after that time.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 16/0300Z 35.5N 38.0W 55 KT 65 MPH
12H 16/1200Z 35.0N 38.7W 50 KT 60 MPH
24H 17/0000Z 34.4N 40.4W 45 KT 50 MPH
36H 17/1200Z 34.6N 42.0W 40 KT 45 MPH
48H 18/0000Z 35.3N 43.0W 40 KT 45 MPH
60H 18/1200Z 36.9N 42.7W 40 KT 45 MPH
72H 19/0000Z 38.6N 40.3W 40 KT 45 MPH
96H 20/0000Z 38.5N 34.7W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROPICAL
120H 21/0000Z 38.2N 31.1W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW

$$
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Re: ATL: MARGOT - Advisories

#30 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 16, 2023 3:58 am

Tropical Storm Margot Discussion Number 36
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
900 AM GMT Sat Sep 16 2023

This morning, Margo's structure on satellite imagery has degraded
some. Cloud top temperatures surrounding the tropical cyclone have
been gradually warming, and there is evidence of northerly vertical
wind shear beginning to impinge on the storm due to flow from a
poleward amplifying upper-level anticyclone. The subjective
intensity estimates from TAFB and SAB have been slowly decreasing,
though the AiDT, D-PRINT, & D-MINT estimates remain a bit higher. A
compromise of these various data support a slightly weaker intensity
of 50 kt on this advisory.

Margot continues to execute a slow clockwise turn, with the
estimated motion now southwestward at 220/6 kt. A gradual turn to
the west and then northwest is anticipated over the next 24-36 hours
as the cyclone rounds the southern periphery of a mid-level ridge
shifting gradually northeast of Margot. It is interesting to note
that Margot's track evolution over the last several days appears to
have been remotely influenced by Lee, where mid-level height rises
north of the tropical storm are in part related to diabatic ridge
building downstream of Lee. Ultimately the same trough that is
phasing with post-tropical cyclone Lee will pick up Margot as well,
with the cyclone turning northeast and even eastward by the end of
the forecast. The latest track forecast is not far off the previous
forecast, but a little farther to the south and west over the first
day or so, adjusting a bit towards the reliable consensus aids.

The vertical wind shear diagnosed by SHIPS guidance is not expected
to abate much over the next 24 hours, and Margot will be moving over
its own cold wake it previously generated along its forecast track.
Thus, weakening is anticipated, and simulated satellite imagery from
both the GFS and ECMWF suggest that the cyclone may cease to produce
enough convection to qualify as a tropical cyclone sometime in the
36-48 hour period, though this is not explicitly shown. However,
most of the guidance agrees a favorable trough interaction may
result in a convective resurgence in the 60-72 h time period, and
the latest intensity forecast shows some re-intensification during
that time period. The trough is expected to ultimately leave behind
Margot, with increasing shear and cooler sea-surface temperatures
likely to result in the system becoming a post-tropical cyclone for
good in the day 4-5 day time period.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 16/0900Z 35.0N 38.3W 50 KT 60 MPH
12H 16/1800Z 34.5N 39.4W 45 KT 50 MPH
24H 17/0600Z 34.3N 41.1W 40 KT 45 MPH
36H 17/1800Z 34.8N 42.5W 35 KT 40 MPH
48H 18/0600Z 36.0N 43.3W 35 KT 40 MPH
60H 18/1800Z 37.7N 41.9W 40 KT 45 MPH
72H 19/0600Z 38.9N 39.3W 45 KT 50 MPH
96H 20/0600Z 38.5N 33.0W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROPICAL
120H 21/0600Z 38.5N 29.5W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW

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Re: ATL: MARGOT - Advisories

#31 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 16, 2023 10:05 am

Tropical Storm Margot Discussion Number 37
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
300 PM GMT Sat Sep 16 2023

Margot's structure has continued to degrade, with the low level
center now exposed on visible satellite imagery. Deep convection is
mainly limited to the southern semicircle of the tropical storm. Dry
air is also wrapping around the western and southern side of Margot.
The subjective Dvorak intensity estimates from TAFB and SAB both
support an initial intensity of 45 kt.

Margot has maintained its southwestward heading and is moving
slightly faster, with an initial estimate of 215/7 kt. Since the
tropical storm has yet to turn due west, the official forecast shows
a slightly larger clockwise loop around a mid-level ridge through 48
hours. This is on the eastern edge of the model consensus aids. As
the mid-level ridge builds south-eastward, Margot is expected to
turn back towards the east and potentially interact with a shortwave
trough arriving from the northwest. Beyond 48 hours, the NHC
forecast is slightly south of and slower than the previous forecast,
closest to the HCCA consensus aid.

Environmental conditions are not expected to improve, with
moderate-to-strong northerly vertical wind shear, dry mid-level
relative humidities, and sea surface temperatures of 26 Celsius or
less through the forecast period. As a result, weakening is forecast
in the near-term, and simulated satellite IR imagery from the GFS
and ECMWF shows a notable lack of deep convection during this time.
By Monday night, Margot is expected to begin interacting with a
mid-latitude shortwave trough. This could allow for some slight
re-intensification, as is shown in the official forecast. Margot is
not expected to be absorbed by the trough and is forecast to
degenerate into a post-tropical cyclone west of the Azores.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 16/1500Z 34.4N 38.7W 45 KT 50 MPH
12H 17/0000Z 34.1N 40.1W 40 KT 45 MPH
24H 17/1200Z 34.3N 41.7W 35 KT 40 MPH
36H 18/0000Z 35.1N 43.0W 35 KT 40 MPH
48H 18/1200Z 36.5N 42.9W 35 KT 40 MPH
60H 19/0000Z 37.9N 40.9W 40 KT 45 MPH
72H 19/1200Z 38.6N 37.8W 40 KT 45 MPH
96H 20/1200Z 37.8N 33.1W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROPICAL
120H 21/1200Z 38.0N 30.1W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROPICAL

$$
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Re: ATL: MARGOT - Advisories

#32 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 16, 2023 3:40 pm

Tropical Storm Margot Discussion Number 38
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
900 PM GMT Sat Sep 16 2023

Tropical Storm Margot's low-level center remains exposed, as strong
northerly upper-level winds displace the deep convection to the
south and west. The CIRA Layered Precipitable Water satellite
product shows that Margot has been nearly encircled by dry mid-level
air. The subjective Dvorak classification from TAFB and the
objective intensity estimates support an initial intensity of 45 kt
for this advisory.

Since the last advisory, Margot has turned westward at 270/7 kt. The
tropical storm is forecast to continue a clockwise loop around a
mid-level ridge. As the ridge builds southeastward, Margot will
turn north, then back towards the east around the northern side of
the ridge. An eastward motion is forecast through the remainder of
the forecast period. No significant changes were made to the track
forecast.

Atmospheric and oceanic conditions are not expected to improve
through the forecast period. Model guidance continues to show that
Margot could lose its deep convection and degenerate into a remnant
low sooner than forecast. However, on Monday Margot is forecast to
interact with the southern periphery of a shortwave trough arriving
from the northwest. This could introduce enough instability to allow
convection to reform and for the system to slightly re-intensify. By
Wednesday, Margot will be left behind by the shortwave and should
degenerate into a post-tropical cyclone west of the Azores.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 16/2100Z 34.3N 39.6W 45 KT 50 MPH
12H 17/0600Z 34.1N 40.9W 40 KT 45 MPH
24H 17/1800Z 34.6N 42.3W 35 KT 40 MPH
36H 18/0600Z 35.8N 42.9W 35 KT 40 MPH
48H 18/1800Z 37.1N 41.9W 35 KT 40 MPH
60H 19/0600Z 38.2N 39.2W 40 KT 45 MPH
72H 19/1800Z 38.2N 36.3W 35 KT 40 MPH
96H 20/1800Z 37.4N 32.4W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROPICAL
120H 21/1800Z 37.5N 29.2W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROPICAL

$$
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Re: ATL: MARGOT - Advisories

#33 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:57 pm

Tropical Storm Margot Discussion Number 39
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142023
300 AM GMT Sun Sep 17 2023

Strong northerly vertical wind shear and dry mid-level air have
taken a toll on Margot during the past 24 hours. Deep convection
became displaced to the south of the center earlier today, and
within the past 6 hours or so, the deep convection has essentially
dissipated. The initial intensity has been lowered to 40 kt,
which is a blend of the latest Dvorak T and CI numbers from TAFB.

Margot has completed a clockwise loop over the past few days, and
the storm is now moving westward at 7 kt. A mid-level ridge to the
north of Margot should steer the cyclone westward to
west-northwestward for about another 24 hours. After that time, the
ridge is predicted to slide eastward and then southward causing
Margot to turn northward, and then east-northeastward to eastward
around the northern side of the ridge. The track guidance continues
to be in good agreement with this scenario and only minor
adjustments to the previous NHC track were needed.

The environment ahead of Margot is not expected to improve during
the next couple of days. Moderate to strong shear and dry air is
likely to prevent the return of organized deep convection during the
next day or two, Margot is now forecast to become a post-tropical
cyclone during that time. On Monday night into Tuesday, the cyclone
is forecast to interact with an approaching mid-latitude trough that
could produce enough instability to allow for a return of deep
convection and some slight restrengthening. Shortly after that
time, northwesterly shear and another surge of dry air should cause
a gradual spin down of the winds.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 17/0300Z 33.9N 40.5W 40 KT 45 MPH
12H 17/1200Z 34.1N 41.9W 35 KT 40 MPH
24H 18/0000Z 35.1N 43.1W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
36H 18/1200Z 36.5N 43.1W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
48H 19/0000Z 37.9N 41.1W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
60H 19/1200Z 38.3N 37.7W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROPICAL
72H 20/0000Z 37.8N 35.3W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROPICAL
96H 21/0000Z 37.0N 32.0W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
120H 22/0000Z 37.6N 29.0W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW

$$
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Re: ATL: MARGOT - Advisories

#34 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 17, 2023 4:39 am

Post-Tropical Cyclone Lee Discussion Number 48
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL132023
500 AM AST Sun Sep 17 2023

Satellite imagery, surface observations and Canadian radar imagery
indicates that the center of Lee is near Prince Edward Island,
with most of the rain west of the center near New Brunswick.
Observations from the southern coast of Nova Scotia support lowering
the intensity to 45 kt on this advisory.

Lee has turned northeastward at about 19 kt. The system should
accelerate in this general direction as it interacts with the
stronger mid-latitude flow, but gradually weaken since it has lost
any baroclinic forcing. No significant changes were made to the
previous forecast, except to keep Lee a bit stronger in 36 hours
based on the global model wind forecasts.

KEY MESSAGES:

1. Tropical storm conditions and coastal flooding are occurring
across portions of Atlantic Canada. These winds could lead to
downed trees and power outages.

2. Dangerous surf and life-threatening rip currents will continue
to affect the U.S. East Coast, Atlantic Canada, Bermuda, the
Bahamas, the Turks and Caicos Islands, Hispaniola, and Puerto
Rico through Monday.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 17/0900Z 46.5N 63.7W 45 KT 50 MPH...POST-TROPICAL
12H 17/1800Z 48.4N 60.3W 40 KT 45 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
24H 18/0600Z 51.2N 52.6W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
36H 18/1800Z 53.5N 40.0W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
48H 19/0600Z...DISSIPATED

$$
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