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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#121 Postby LarryWx » Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:10 am

0Z UKMET has a mainly westbound to WNW moving Tammy hours 120-168:
HURRICANE TAMMY ANALYSED POSITION : 17.5N 61.5W

ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL202023

LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND
VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS)
-------------- ---- -------- ------------- -------------
0000UTC 22.10.2023 0 17.5N 61.5W 999 48
1200UTC 22.10.2023 12 18.7N 62.4W 1003 45
0000UTC 23.10.2023 24 19.8N 63.5W 1003 41
1200UTC 23.10.2023 36 20.8N 63.7W 1004 39
0000UTC 24.10.2023 48 21.7N 63.8W 1004 36
1200UTC 24.10.2023 60 22.1N 63.5W 1004 37
0000UTC 25.10.2023 72 21.2N 64.2W 1004 29
1200UTC 25.10.2023 84 21.4N 63.3W 1003 30
0000UTC 26.10.2023 96 21.7N 62.2W 1001 31
1200UTC 26.10.2023 108 23.5N 61.7W 999 37
0000UTC 27.10.2023 120 24.9N 61.7W 999 41
1200UTC 27.10.2023 132 25.9N 63.7W 999 39
0000UTC 28.10.2023 144 26.6N 66.8W 998 40
1200UTC 28.10.2023 156 26.2N 69.4W 997 36
0000UTC 29.10.2023 168 26.4N 71.2W 1000 37
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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#122 Postby jconsor » Sun Oct 22, 2023 5:08 am

UKMET should be taken with a large grain of salt IMHO, given that it is initializing Tammy too weak and has a strong ridge bias. Seems to me highly unlikely Tammy will still be so close to 20N between 48 and 96 hours.

Interesting to note that today's UKMET run is stronger than yesterday's 0z run Tue into late next week. Also seems more realistic than yesterday's run by showing a NE and then N motion before the hard left turn to the W/WNW.


HURRICANE TAMMY ANALYSED POSITION : 14.7N 59.6W

ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL202023

LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND
VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS)
-------------- ---- -------- ------------- -------------
0000UTC 21.10.2023 0 14.7N 59.6W 1000 54
1200UTC 21.10.2023 12 16.0N 60.7W 1000 53
0000UTC 22.10.2023 24 17.2N 62.1W 1004 38
1200UTC 22.10.2023 36 18.5N 62.8W 1005 39
0000UTC 23.10.2023 48 19.5N 63.8W 1005 35
1200UTC 23.10.2023 60 20.6N 64.0W 1005 37
0000UTC 24.10.2023 72 21.1N 64.2W 1004 35
1200UTC 24.10.2023 84 21.4N 64.4W 1003 35
0000UTC 25.10.2023 96 21.1N 64.5W 1003 28
1200UTC 25.10.2023 108 20.9N 64.9W 1002 28
0000UTC 26.10.2023 120 20.8N 64.9W 1002 28
1200UTC 26.10.2023 132 21.7N 64.7W 1002 27
0000UTC 27.10.2023 144 23.2N 64.2W 1002 29

1200UTC 27.10.2023 156 24.7N 64.4W 1003 29
0000UTC 28.10.2023 168 26.3N 64.7W 1005 29

What I also find interesting is that the UKMET like most guidance is trending toward a stronger ridge N/NW of Tammy and a stronger upper low cutting off SW of her. So the hard left turn makes sense given this setup.

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LarryWx wrote:0Z UKMET has a mainly westbound to WNW moving Tammy hours 120-168:
HURRICANE TAMMY ANALYSED POSITION : 17.5N 61.5W

ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL202023

LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND
VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS)
-------------- ---- -------- ------------- -------------
0000UTC 22.10.2023 0 17.5N 61.5W 999 48
1200UTC 22.10.2023 12 18.7N 62.4W 1003 45
0000UTC 23.10.2023 24 19.8N 63.5W 1003 41
1200UTC 23.10.2023 36 20.8N 63.7W 1004 39
0000UTC 24.10.2023 48 21.7N 63.8W 1004 36
1200UTC 24.10.2023 60 22.1N 63.5W 1004 37
0000UTC 25.10.2023 72 21.2N 64.2W 1004 29
1200UTC 25.10.2023 84 21.4N 63.3W 1003 30
0000UTC 26.10.2023 96 21.7N 62.2W 1001 31
1200UTC 26.10.2023 108 23.5N 61.7W 999 37
0000UTC 27.10.2023 120 24.9N 61.7W 999 41
1200UTC 27.10.2023 132 25.9N 63.7W 999 39
0000UTC 28.10.2023 144 26.6N 66.8W 998 40
1200UTC 28.10.2023 156 26.2N 69.4W 997 36
0000UTC 29.10.2023 168 26.4N 71.2W 1000 37
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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#123 Postby LarryWx » Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:44 am

12Z UKMET: similar to 0Z run with a W heading 108-168 at ~10 mph slightly N of 0Z run:

HURRICANE TAMMY ANALYSED POSITION : 18.9N 62.6W

ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL202023

LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND
VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS)
-------------- ---- -------- ------------- -------------
1200UTC 22.10.2023 0 18.9N 62.6W 998 50
0000UTC 23.10.2023 12 20.2N 63.8W 1000 38
1200UTC 23.10.2023 24 21.4N 63.7W 1001 42
0000UTC 24.10.2023 36 22.2N 63.3W 1000 42
1200UTC 24.10.2023 48 22.6N 62.9W 1001 38
0000UTC 25.10.2023 60 22.8N 62.6W 1001 30
1200UTC 25.10.2023 72 23.7N 61.4W 999 36
0000UTC 26.10.2023 84 25.0N 59.7W 996 54
1200UTC 26.10.2023 96 26.7N 59.1W 995 49
0000UTC 27.10.2023 108 27.2N 61.0W 997 43
1200UTC 27.10.2023 120 27.7N 64.0W 998 45
0000UTC 28.10.2023 132 27.7N 67.7W 995 39
1200UTC 28.10.2023 144 27.5N 69.8W 997 36
0000UTC 29.10.2023 156 27.6N 71.5W 1000 37
1200UTC 29.10.2023 168 27.2N 73.4W 1003 33
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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#124 Postby Nimbus » Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:33 pm

LarryWx wrote:12Z UKMET: similar to 0Z run with a W heading 108-168 at ~10 mph slightly N of 0Z run:

HURRICANE TAMMY ANALYSED POSITION : 18.9N 62.6W

ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL202023

LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND
VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS)
-------------- ---- -------- ------------- -------------
1200UTC 22.10.2023 0 18.9N 62.6W 998 50
0000UTC 23.10.2023 12 20.2N 63.8W 1000 38
1200UTC 23.10.2023 24 21.4N 63.7W 1001 42
0000UTC 24.10.2023 36 22.2N 63.3W 1000 42
1200UTC 24.10.2023 48 22.6N 62.9W 1001 38
0000UTC 25.10.2023 60 22.8N 62.6W 1001 30
1200UTC 25.10.2023 72 23.7N 61.4W 999 36
0000UTC 26.10.2023 84 25.0N 59.7W 996 54
1200UTC 26.10.2023 96 26.7N 59.1W 995 49
0000UTC 27.10.2023 108 27.2N 61.0W 997 43
1200UTC 27.10.2023 120 27.7N 64.0W 998 45
0000UTC 28.10.2023 132 27.7N 67.7W 995 39
1200UTC 28.10.2023 144 27.5N 69.8W 997 36
0000UTC 29.10.2023 156 27.6N 71.5W 1000 37
1200UTC 29.10.2023 168 27.2N 73.4W 1003 33


So if the front doesn't dig and either shear Tammy to an open wave or take it out to sea by Thursday its going to be under a massive ridge drifting west? So why is the UKMET forecasting rising surface pressure after the front?
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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#125 Postby blp » Sun Oct 22, 2023 8:57 pm

A lot more Ensembles coming west faster.

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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#126 Postby Blown Away » Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:11 pm

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00z early big W trend.
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Re: RE: Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#127 Postby jlauderdal » Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:12 pm

Blown Away wrote:Image

00z early big W trend.
Anything into swfl?
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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#128 Postby LarryWx » Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:25 pm

0Z GFS/CMC: keep it well OTS from Bahamas/CONUS

0Z ICON: after initially going NE turns west and goes into S FL at 180 as a weakening low

0Z UKMET: similarly to at least last two runs it first goes NNE and later turns WSW at 10 mph making it to 150 miles E of the N Bahamas while then weakening:

HURRICANE TAMMY ANALYSED POSITION : 20.3N 63.8W

ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL202023

LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND
VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS)
-------------- ---- -------- ------------- -------------
0000UTC 23.10.2023 0 20.3N 63.8W 999 47
1200UTC 23.10.2023 12 21.7N 64.5W 1001 37
0000UTC 24.10.2023 24 22.3N 63.5W 999 39
1200UTC 24.10.2023 36 22.9N 62.8W 998 37
0000UTC 25.10.2023 48 23.5N 61.6W 997 36
1200UTC 25.10.2023 60 24.9N 60.0W 993 43
0000UTC 26.10.2023 72 26.7N 58.6W 988 57
1200UTC 26.10.2023 84 28.9N 58.1W 992 44
0000UTC 27.10.2023 96 29.8N 59.5W 997 48
1200UTC 27.10.2023 108 29.9N 62.1W 1000 41
0000UTC 28.10.2023 120 30.0N 65.8W 998 46
1200UTC 28.10.2023 132 30.3N 67.9W 1001 36
0000UTC 29.10.2023 144 29.5N 70.3W 1001 34
1200UTC 29.10.2023 156 28.0N 72.6W 1003 31
0000UTC 30.10.2023 168 27.2N 74.7W 1006 30
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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#129 Postby ThunderForce » Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:26 am

06z came in and the tracks are generally all over the place.
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AVNI, HMNI and CTCI want to have Tammy safely recurve out to sea.
HFAI, HFBI, UKXI, HKMI and EGRI want Tammy to sharply turn westward.
HWFI, COTI, AEMI and CEMI are in the middle. Not quite recurving but not making a sharp left turn either.

The TVCN has actually moved a bit more northeastward compared to 00z though, for some reason.

As for the 06z intensity forecasts:
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Well, they're pretty different from the 00z. DSHP (which the NHC has been mostly looking to for forecasting Tammy's intensity over time) has changed from having the storm weakening over time into a tropical storm and staying one up to the 168 mark, to featuring Tammy restrengthening into a Category 1 again after a little while as a tropical storm. As for the others...

HWFI, CTCI, AEMI, and UKXI all feature Tammy being a Category 1 at the end of their forecast periods.

HMNI and CTCI additionally feature Tammy strengthening into a Category 2 at some point before weakening, with the latter additionally featuring a brief Category 3 peak.

The rest have Tammy weakening into a tropical storm up until the end of their forecast periods, with HFAI and LGEM additionally featuring Tammy weakening into a tropical depression. IVCN, AVNI and LGEM feature Tammy restrengthening during their periods though.
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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#130 Postby LarryWx » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:25 am

12Z UKMET changes its mind and doesn’t bring Tammy back W like prior 3+ runs:

HURRICANE TAMMY ANALYSED POSITION : 21.4N 64.2W

ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL202023

LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND
VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS)
-------------- ---- -------- ------------- -------------
1200UTC 23.10.2023 0 21.4N 64.2W 1004 37
0000UTC 24.10.2023 12 22.3N 63.7W 1002 42
1200UTC 24.10.2023 24 23.0N 62.8W 1001 38
0000UTC 25.10.2023 36 23.7N 61.5W 998 41
1200UTC 25.10.2023 48 24.6N 60.3W 997 42
0000UTC 26.10.2023 60 26.9N 58.1W 993 53
1200UTC 26.10.2023 72 29.5N 57.9W 993 47
0000UTC 27.10.2023 84 30.3N 59.1W 993 46
1200UTC 27.10.2023 96 31.1N 61.0W 996 43
0000UTC 28.10.2023 108 31.9N 62.9W 995 43
1200UTC 28.10.2023 120 33.0N 63.3W 998 35
0000UTC 29.10.2023 132 33.6N 62.4W 995 36
1200UTC 29.10.2023 144 34.2N 60.4W 998 38
0000UTC 30.10.2023 156 33.9N 58.6W 1002 32
1200UTC 30.10.2023 168 33.3N 56.9W 1006 29

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Edit:
0Z UKMET similarly keeps it well OTS:
HURRICANE TAMMY ANALYSED POSITION : 22.8N 63.5W

ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL202023

LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND
VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS)
-------------- ---- -------- ------------- -------------
0000UTC 24.10.2023 0 22.8N 63.5W 998 46
1200UTC 24.10.2023 12 23.4N 62.6W 996 43
0000UTC 25.10.2023 24 24.4N 61.2W 992 43
1200UTC 25.10.2023 36 25.8N 59.5W 989 51
0000UTC 26.10.2023 48 28.2N 57.9W 985 51
1200UTC 26.10.2023 60 30.3N 58.5W 986 50
0000UTC 27.10.2023 72 30.9N 59.8W 987 53
1200UTC 27.10.2023 84 31.3N 61.4W 988 45
0000UTC 28.10.2023 96 31.7N 62.6W 989 43
1200UTC 28.10.2023 108 32.8N 62.3W 987 50
0000UTC 29.10.2023 120 34.5N 60.3W 989 45
1200UTC 29.10.2023 132 35.3N 56.4W 987 48
0000UTC 30.10.2023 144 34.5N 50.6W 987 52
1200UTC 30.10.2023 156 32.5N 45.3W 988 48
0000UTC 31.10.2023 168 28.7N 43.4W 992 44
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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#131 Postby MEANINGLESS_NUMBERS » Tue Oct 24, 2023 2:05 pm

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At 120 hours the guidance suggests that Tammy will be somewhere between GOM and Iceland.
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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#132 Postby LarryWx » Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:50 pm

18Z ICON at 120 hrs N Bahamas 998 mb TS moving W at ~15 mph
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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#133 Postby blp » Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:12 pm

18 GEFS more members over Florida.

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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#134 Postby Teban54 » Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:13 pm

blp wrote:18 GEFS more members over Florida.

https://i.ibb.co/sjKsS9m/73906990.gif

Those ensemble members look like fireworks.
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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#135 Postby blp » Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:27 pm

Teban54 wrote:
blp wrote:18 GEFS more members over Florida.

https://i.ibb.co/sjKsS9m/73906990.gif

Those ensemble members look like fireworks.


Your right, crazy spread.
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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#136 Postby LarryWx » Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:43 pm

0Z ICON just like 18Z ICON heads to S FL Sun night. That would be going against almost all of the W basin headings of the entire season. But the 0Z UKMET, GFS, and CMC all stay way out.
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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#137 Postby cycloneye » Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:47 am

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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#138 Postby cycloneye » Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:08 pm

European in a circle. :D

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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#139 Postby LarryWx » Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:02 pm

All of the sudden while the other models stay OTS, the 18Z GFS comes back pretty far west though not all the way as do some of the 18Z GEFS members.
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Re: ATL: TAMMY - Models

#140 Postby ChrisH-UK » Fri Oct 27, 2023 4:49 pm

cycloneye wrote:European in a circle. :D

https://i.imgur.com/7XCkd2I.gif


Reminds me of GEM run from Tuesday.

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