ATL: MILTON - Post-Tropical - Discussion

[Aggiemon96]

even on here, you can definitely and nearly immediately tell the people who have lived through the ill effects of one of these from the "enthusiasts" who haven't - nothing against the people who are here expressing genuine awe at what nature has managed to produce here, as it is nothing short of jaw-dropping, but there's such a contrast sometimes between folks who almost seem to root for the pressure to bottom out vs. those who get queasy even looking at numbers like the ones we're seeing.

Bruh, you're telling me...

My cousin and his wife have a medical practice in St. Pete. They got water in their place during Helene so they had to relocate to a travel trailer. Well, now that Milton is taking a bead, they're evacuating. When I told my wife about it, she literally had to excuse herself to the bathroom. She still relives Laura (and Delta) every hurricane season. Two years out of the house, five different temporary accommodations during that time. Not to mention all the salvage and inventory work. It's brutal.

[jdray]

As an FIU student in the time of Andrew, I took part in a big Anthropology study of the cultural effects of the storm. The amount of divorces in the six months after Andrew was astronomical.

As was, I am sure, the number of births about 9 months after.

Our daughter was a "product" of an evacuation. Indeed, Hurricane Rita ended up being extremely costly for me, despite the only physical damage of note being my fence! (No, we didn't end up naming her Rita, though we considered it for a fleeting moment or two.)

My wife was pregnant with our son in 2004. She went through extended power outages from Frances and Jeanne. Hats off to any woman who is pregnant during hurricanes.

[Hurricane2022]

That ERC was really fast

[canetoad]

FEMA has a colossal task already from multiple major storms including as recently as a couple weeks ago! If anything I want to thank them and local officials for doing all they can, the scope is unimaginable right now.

I agree - to the earlier posts about FEMA not being around to clear the debris especially and the governor having to intervene and cut locks at the dump sites... in my understanding, FEMA is only ever meant to step in when the state is overwhelmed and can't handle the recovery on its own, so I don't really get the narrative that the state handling its own affairs means the feds have failed or are underperformoing. In theory, a governor setting things in motion should just be a sign of good emergency management and appropriate state budgeting, not needing as much assistance from the federal government.

I would also like to point out that "FEMA" itself is just a coordinating body, mostly. They manage the purse strings but Congrrss routinely has to replenish the oft-depleted disaster relief funds in recent years.

Most of the folks that roll in are perhaps sent by FEMA as head coordinator and funds distrubutor but it's largely a mix of deployment-ready military, first responders / swift water rescue teams, power restoration company employees, nonprofit volunteers like Salvation Army, Samaritan's Purse and the Scientologists, and locally hired contractors, with some FEMA reservists mixed in mistly to go door to door signing folks up for relief programs. The assembled apparatus is almost always an impressively massive mix of folks from all walks of life and careers, and my hat's off to all of them.

The problem in 2017 was that a lot of those folks couldn't even get out to Puerto Rico and were stretched mighty thin between Houston, Florida, the Caribbean, and the California wildfires, and I fear we might be approaching that now as well if Milton causes even half as much damage as still remains from Helene. The helpers are always there, but they're not an infinite resource and this one-two punch much be causing significant strain on the community of volunteers and professionals alike

[BobHarlem]

That ERC was really fast
https://imageshack.com/i/pnRV0eybp

Be glad that scorpion reef there (Atoll island north of the eye) is uninhabited.

[Stormgodess]

One thing that only sunk in with me over the last couple of days is that Ian, as bad as it was in places like Ft. Myers Beach and Sanibel, wasn't even the worst case scenario for surge in the vicinity that it hit. Slightly further north and it does to Charlotte Harbor the same thing everyone's been concerned might happen to Tampa Bay. We could see that happen with Milton instead.

Think to Katrina, as bad as the damage was in New Orleans. It hit there as a Cat 3. Imagine if it was a Cat 5?

We don't hear the worst case scenario monikor often.

People shouldn't let their guard down on this one

[UTSARoadrunner4]

That ERC was really fast
https://imageshack.com/i/pnRV0eybp

Looks like King Milton is starting to creep above 22°N…

[Steve]

FEMA has a colossal task already from multiple major storms including as recently as a couple weeks ago! If anything I want to thank them and local officials for doing all they can, the scope is unimaginable right now.

I agree - to the earlier posts about FEMA not being around to clear the debris especially and the governor having to intervene and cut locks at the dump sites... in my understanding, FEMA is only ever meant to step in when the state is overwhelmed and can't handle the recovery on its own, so I don't really get the narrative that the state handling its own affairs means the feds have failed or are underperformoing. In theory, a governor setting things in motion should just be a sign of good emergency management and appropriate state budgeting, not needing as much assistance from the federal government.

I would also like to point out that "FEMA" itself is just a coordinating body, mostly. They manage the purse strings but Congrrss routinely has to replenish the oft-depleted disaster relief funds in recent years.

Most of the folks that roll in are perhaps sent by FEMA as head coordinator and funds distrubutor but it's largely a mix of deployment-ready military, first responders / swift water rescue teams, power restoration company employees, nonprofit volunteers like Salvation Army, Samaritan's Purse and the Scientologists, and locally hired contractors, with some FEMA reservists mixed in mistly to go door to door signing folks up for relief programs. The assembled apparatus is almost always an impressively massive mix of folks from all walks of life and careers, and my hat's off to all of them.

The problem in 2017 was that a lot of those folks couldn't even get out to Puerto Rico and were stretched mighty thin between Houston, Florida, the Caribbean, and the California wildfires, and I fear we might be approaching that now as well if Milton causes even half as much damage as still remains from Helene. The helpers are always there, but they're not an infinite resource and this one-two punch much be causing significant strain on the community of volunteers and professionals alike

You know what’s up. It’s easy to find scapegoats and I could easily post some white shrimp boots image which is against the terms of this site. But people gonna be influenced by whatever. Once you lost everything you had and don’t look to scapegoat you learn to understand. So thanks.

[Nederlander]

Tampa will never get another hurricane again.

11 days ago in the Helene thread…. Oooooffff

@OldTakesExposed….

[ConvergenceZone]

The weakening was expected. That's why they say hurricanes don't usually stay at cat 5s for very long (on average). But I think it will strengthen at least somewhat again after EWRC is done, although it may get down to around 145 mph before it does so, we'll see.

[Sciencerocks]

Intensity
0 145 knts
6 145 knts
12 135 knts
24 125 knts
36 115 knts
48 105 knts
56 knts 95 knts--near landfall
72 60 knts becoming extratropical

I think conditions will become unfavorable and this system will be gutted by shear after 48 hours so it should weaken. How fast it yet to be seen but most of the reliable hurricane models take it into cat2 range by landfall.

a few straight up gut this system the last 12 hours before landfall. Fingers crossed.

[Soluna16]

Starting to look like the EWRC is almost done.

[Stormgodess]

I'm trying really really hard to hold my tongue about all the FEMA posts.



Especially since reading their 2024 budget reports and me obviously disagreeing with many here.

[ElectricStorm]

ERC looks to be proceeding nicely. Still maintaining a very cold CDO as well so assuming the remaining part of the ERC goes smoothly I think we could see another run tomorrow.

[cheezyWXguy]

FEMA has a colossal task already from multiple major storms including as recently as a couple weeks ago! If anything I want to thank them and local officials for doing all they can, the scope is unimaginable right now.

I agree - to the earlier posts about FEMA not being around to clear the debris especially and the governor having to intervene and cut locks at the dump sites... in my understanding, FEMA is only ever meant to step in when the state is overwhelmed and can't handle the recovery on its own, so I don't really get the narrative that the state handling its own affairs means the feds have failed or are underperformoing. In theory, a governor setting things in motion should just be a sign of good emergency management and appropriate state budgeting, not needing as much assistance from the federal government.

I would also like to point out that "FEMA" itself is just a coordinating body, mostly. They manage the purse strings but Congrrss routinely has to replenish the oft-depleted disaster relief funds in recent years.

Most of the folks that roll in are perhaps sent by FEMA as head coordinator and funds distrubutor but it's largely a mix of deployment-ready military, first responders / swift water rescue teams, power restoration company employees, nonprofit volunteers like Salvation Army, Samaritan's Purse and the Scientologists, and locally hired contractors, with some FEMA reservists mixed in mistly to go door to door signing folks up for relief programs. The assembled apparatus is almost always an impressively massive mix of folks from all walks of life and careers, and my hat's off to all of them.

The problem in 2017 was that a lot of those folks couldn't even get out to Puerto Rico and were stretched mighty thin between Houston, Florida, the Caribbean, and the California wildfires, and I fear we might be approaching that now as well if Milton causes even half as much damage as still remains from Helene. The helpers are always there, but they're not an infinite resource and this one-two punch much be causing significant strain on the community of volunteers and professionals alike

Scientologists was not a group I expected to see in this context

[Stormgodess]

FEMA has a colossal task already from multiple major storms including as recently as a couple weeks ago! If anything I want to thank them and local officials for doing all they can, the scope is unimaginable right now.

I agree - to the earlier posts about FEMA not being around to clear the debris especially and the governor having to intervene and cut locks at the dump sites... in my understanding, FEMA is only ever meant to step in when the state is overwhelmed and can't handle the recovery on its own, so I don't really get the narrative that the state handling its own affairs means the feds have failed or are underperformoing. In theory, a governor setting things in motion should just be a sign of good emergency management and appropriate state budgeting, not needing as much assistance from the federal government.

I would also like to point out that "FEMA" itself is just a coordinating body, mostly. They manage the purse strings but Congrrss routinely has to replenish the oft-depleted disaster relief funds in recent years.

Most of the folks that roll in are perhaps sent by FEMA as head coordinator and funds distrubutor but it's largely a mix of deployment-ready military, first responders / swift water rescue teams, power restoration company employees, nonprofit volunteers like Salvation Army, Samaritan's Purse and the Scientologists, and locally hired contractors, with some FEMA reservists mixed in mistly to go door to door signing folks up for relief programs. The assembled apparatus is almost always an impressively massive mix of folks from all walks of life and careers, and my hat's off to all of them.

The problem in 2017 was that a lot of those folks couldn't even get out to Puerto Rico and were stretched mighty thin between Houston, Florida, the Caribbean, and the California wildfires, and I fear we might be approaching that now as well if Milton causes even half as much damage as still remains from Helene. The helpers are always there, but they're not an infinite resource and this one-two punch much be causing significant strain on the community of volunteers and professionals alike

Scientologists was not a group I expected to see in this context

I'm not surprised.

They were the first group I saw during Katrina helping

[Blinhart]

That ERC was really fast
https://imageshack.com/i/pnRV0eybp

Be glad that scorpion reef there (Atoll island north of the eye) is uninhabited.

Isla Perez

[Blinhart]

I'm trying really really hard to hold my tongue about all the FEMA posts.



Especially since reading their 2024 budget reports and me obviously disagreeing with many here.

What that they suck?

[Category5Kaiju]

Fun random fact: Milton is currently near, if not directly over the Chicxulub crater impact site. This site on the Yucatan Peninsula is where the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs landed.

[Aggiemon96]

I'm trying really really hard to hold my tongue about all the FEMA posts.



Especially since reading their 2024 budget reports and me obviously disagreeing with many here.

Yep, I am with you there, having witnessed firsthand.