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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2061 Postby Sciencerocks » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:04 pm

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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2062 Postby Ptarmigan » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:05 pm

NDG wrote:It has passed Katrina!!!


At this point, it could eclipse Allen.
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#2063 Postby Owasso » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:06 pm

161kt in NE eyewall Dropsonde
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#2064 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:07 pm


By winds and pressure, agreed. By appearance I think Melissa wins. This is Wilma in the same IR color scale TT uses
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2065 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:07 pm

Owasso wrote:161kt in NE eyewall Dropsonde


I'd consider that legit personally with this satellite signature. I'd issue a TCU with a 160 kt intensity.
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2066 Postby Fancy1002 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:08 pm

I’m hearing people say 161 kt at the surface and 899 Millibar, can anyone confirm that?
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2067 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:09 pm



Last few frames show it expanding in size.
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2068 Postby Owasso » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:09 pm

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#2069 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:10 pm

Fancy1002 wrote:I’m hearing people say 161 kt at the surface and 899 Millibar, can anyone confirm that?


An eyewall dropsonde had surface winds of 161 kt, and a pressure in the eye calculated at 900 mb (902 mb / 22 kt of surface winds).
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#2070 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:11 pm


A convective structure with virtually no outer banding, just a donut core. Melissa certainly has a donut core, but outer banding is much too prominent. More likely to see a structure like that in the open Atlantic than the Caribbean. See Isabel ‘03 as the textbook example.
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#2071 Postby Stormgodess » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:12 pm

Can we expect an increase in storm surge forcasts for Mellisa as she strengthens? I realize topography plays a huge role, but I can't help but remember Katrina's 20ft + surge in Mississippi and wonder if 13ft for Melissa is lacking?
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2072 Postby Fancy1002 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:12 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:
Fancy1002 wrote:I’m hearing people say 161 kt at the surface and 899 Millibar, can anyone confirm that?


An eyewall dropsonde had surface winds of 161 kt, and a pressure in the eye calculated at 900 mb (902 mb / 22 kt of surface winds).

From what I am seeing, it’s 899.8, which yes is rounded up to 900, but you could still consider sub 900 technically.
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2073 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:12 pm

Stormgodess wrote:Can we expect an increase in storm surge forcasts for Mellisa as she strengthens? I realize topography plays a huge role, but I can't help but remember Katrina's 20ft + surge in Mississippi and wonder if 13ft for Melissa is lacking?


Katrina was much larger in size though, especially after the ERC. Now, if Melissa misses Jamaica, goes into an ERC and expands out, then that could be a major issue for Cuba. That is what happened in 1932.
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2074 Postby Fancy1002 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:13 pm

Please tell me recon is going to do one last pass. It can’t leave without us knowing for sure.
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2075 Postby dukeblue219 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:15 pm

Fancy1002 wrote:Please tell me recon is going to do one last pass. It can’t leave without us knowing for sure.

Know what for sure? There's always nagging interest in one... more... pass!
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2076 Postby KirbyDude25 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:15 pm

Fancy1002 wrote:Please tell me recon is going to do one last pass. It can’t leave without us knowing for sure.

The TCPOD lists it as being on station until 5:30Z, or about 75 minutes from now, and it's turning westward on Flightradar24. To me, that suggests it's going in for one more pass
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2077 Postby Travorum » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:15 pm

Again this doesn't mean anything as Melissa's intensity is well below what it's appearance would suggest, but ADT CI# just hit 8.5 for the first time ever in the Atlantic:

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 28 OCT 2025 Time : 034020 UTC
Lat : 16:37:12 N Lon : 78:30:36 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
8.5 / 871.5mb/185.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
8.5 8.6 8.6

Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR : 15 km

Center Temp : +19.2C Cloud Region Temp : -81.4C
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2078 Postby Tekken_Guy » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:17 pm

All I want to know is if Melissa will join the 800 club or not.
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2079 Postby Jr0d » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:17 pm

161kts is about 185mph.

That in my amatuer is a reasonable estimation of max sustained surface winds, especially given all the other information.

Even if the drop measured a gust, no reason to believe there are not sustained winds that high reaching the surface.
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2080 Postby Fancy1002 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:17 pm

dukeblue219 wrote:
Fancy1002 wrote:Please tell me recon is going to do one last pass. It can’t leave without us knowing for sure.

Know what for sure? There's always nagging interest in one... more... pass!

To know for sure whether it is reached sub 900 pressure. Even if it falls below to 899 or 898 over the next 30 minutes to an hour, it could start to rise before the next recon mission gets there. I would prefer that we have direct evidence rather than speculations.
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