NATL: MELISSA - Aftermath - Discussion: Josh Morgerman video of Melissa is up

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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2081 Postby SconnieCane » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:17 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:

A convective structure with virtually no outer banding, just a donut core. Melissa certainly has a donut core, but outer banding is much too prominent. More likely to see a structure like that in the open Atlantic than the Caribbean. See Isabel ‘03 as the textbook example.


Beat me to it. A lot of people seem to be under the impression that any intense TC with a symmetrical CDO is "annular," but there's more to it than that.
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#2082 Postby Hurricane2022 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:19 pm

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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2083 Postby zzzh » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:19 pm

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Those CDG's in the middle ring of the CDO reminds me of Patricia
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2084 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:20 pm

Unless an unscheduled mission is added, we will have about a 5 1/2 hour gap without Recon data in the storm. This plane leaves around 0530Z, and the next plane departs at 0800Z to arrive around 1100Z.
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2085 Postby Fancy1002 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:21 pm

Is that a fourth CDC ring? How does that make sense? Also, I might be using the wrong term.
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2086 Postby Hurrilurker » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:22 pm

Ptarmigan wrote:Jamaica in November 1909 had 135 inches of rainfall.
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2022A ... K/abstract

The slow movement of Melissa is going to dump heavy rain over a large area.

I would think they're already getting lashed pretty good, CDO still offshore but a ton of intense convection bubbling over the island right now. Vegetation and soil will already be loose by the time the Cat 4+ winds get there.
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#2087 Postby Hurricane Mike » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:24 pm

I am guessing about 180-185 mph is quite possibly the current intensity.
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#2088 Postby Exalt » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:25 pm

This thing looks like a history-making WPAC typhoon but instead of the Philippines it’s the Caribbean
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2089 Postby Owasso » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:25 pm

Hurrilurker wrote:
Ptarmigan wrote:Jamaica in November 1909 had 135 inches of rainfall.
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2022A ... K/abstract

The slow movement of Melissa is going to dump heavy rain over a large area.

I would think they're already getting lashed pretty good, CDO still offshore but a ton of intense convection bubbling over the island right now. Vegetation and soil will already be loose by the time the Cat 4+ winds get there.


From what I was seeing earlier today, downed trees blocking roads and collapsing house roofs.
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#2090 Postby Owasso » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:26 pm

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Here we go. Another north to south pass.
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#2091 Postby SconnieCane » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:33 pm

The subtle (within the cone/margin of error) but definite west-of-track motion today must have given Josh fits, especially if he set up in Treasure Beach. Depending on how much of an east of due north angle it takes, he may have to be at Savanna la Mar or even further west to get the eyewall and it looks like there aren't any really main roads out of Treasure Beach. They're all narrow and either go through mountain passes or right along the coast, so they may have already become impassable earlier today.
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#2092 Postby Owasso » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:35 pm

132kt FL, not fully through the eyewall though
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2093 Postby Jr0d » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:38 pm

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Stormgodess wrote:Can we expect an increase in storm surge forcasts for Mellisa as she strengthens? I realize topography plays a huge role, but I can't help but remember Katrina's 20ft + surge in Mississippi and wonder if 13ft for Melissa is lacking?


Katrina was much larger in size though, especially after the ERC. Now, if Melissa misses Jamaica, goes into an ERC and expands out, then that could be a major issue for Cuba. That is what happened in 1932.


Also the shallow water off the coast in Mississippi enhances storm surge where Jamaica has deep water offshore. They will have much higher waves hitting the coast however, resulting in much worse erosion. The bays of Jamaica that will see onshore winds( the right side of Melissa on the south coast)however can see much more extreme surge as the water will pile in with no where to go but up.

That is my understanding of storm surge, but I am not an expert.


Another factor is elevation, the elevation rises quickly in Jamaica making most residential areas high enough to not worry about it, even those less than a mile from the shore, unfortunately landslides will be a major concern because of this.

If you look at Mississippi and Louisiana, you can be 10 miles from the shore, but still less than 10' above sea level in some areas, making them vulnerable to extreme surge.
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2094 Postby Fancy1002 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:39 pm

We have to give it to Melissa just how many Eyewall mergers she’s had without going through any full replacements to my knowledge.
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#2095 Postby SconnieCane » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:40 pm

Just looked up Savanna-la-Mar since it looks like one of the larger population centers at risk of getting the eyewall. Apparently it has a history with severe hurricanes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1780_Atla ... _Hurricane
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2096 Postby mrbagyo » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:44 pm

162 FL
Didn't enter the eye and veered SE
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2097 Postby WaveBreaking » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:45 pm

From earlier today

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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2098 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:47 pm

Now we wait for the dropsonde.
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2099 Postby dukeblue219 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:48 pm

mrbagyo wrote:162 FL
Didn't enter the eye and veered SE


Sure they did. The winds went to near zero then they popped out.
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Re: NATL: MELISSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#2100 Postby Teban54 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:49 pm

You can really see how much the CDO has expanded:

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