New Orleans Escapes The Big One Again - Thank God

[KatDaddy]

I have seen this post for awhile and disregarded it for the stupidity of the title. Sorry if I am being an ass but no bullet was dodged. As of tonight 423 of those bullets killed in NOLA aone

[fci]

This wasn't the doomsday hit? OH SORRY, FORGOT. I thought the city was 80% flooded, that many businesses were totally destroyed, that three levees overflowed, and that the city may be uninhabitable for months.
I was under the impression that people were killed, homes rendered rubble, and the infastructure in shambles, so as to affect the impact on the city for years. You mean that this wasn't the catastrophe I see on TV?? Are some people serious actutally indicating that New Orleand could have gotten away WORSE? Gad, what callousness on the part of some folk.

and you forget that this topic was created the morning after the storm PRIOR to the DELAYED flooding. This thread was based on first hand reports from reporters from CNN and FOX. Some folks on this thread are acting as if this thread was created AFTER the horrific flooding, which it wasn't.

Maybe the problem is not with the INITIAL observation of the thread.
I have a problem with the arrogance of defending the thoughts that were intially made when the media and most others THOUGHT that the bullet had been dodged.
Obviously, the destruction is exponentially higher than originally thought.

In my opinion, the attiude now should be one of "We thought the bullet was dodged and in retrospect BOY WERE WE WRONG!
NOT a continuing defense of the wrong initial assessment.

Tell all the displaced people face to face that they got off easy.and how "lucky" they are; because that is what is being inferred by the continued defense of your stance.

To continue to maintain that the bullet was dodged is insensitve, arrogant, inappropriate and just plain wrong.
Simple as that...

Perhaps a debate a year from now on how much WORSE it could have been would be more appropriate. The wounds are way too fresh right now to conduct this discussion on this board.

I fell better now that I got this off my chest

[AussieMark]

Either way, it is a question of WHEN. It could be next week; it could be in 2000 years. It's a gamble regardless of the schematics.

And the statement that NOLA will unlikely take this hit is factually incorrect. Just b/c it may not be in your lifetime doesn't mean never. So, I didn't forget that.

If it will only happen in 2000 years, then it really doesn't matter to us at the moment does it? Technology will advance itself so far in 2000 years that evacuation would be exceedingly simple, structures would withstand even winds of 200-300MPH and the infrastructure would survive a heavy soaking, pumps so powerful they would get the city dry in just a few days and treatment plants that would remove all the toxic chemicals from the water.

We are only concerned with what happens in the relatively near predictable future. 5, 10, 20 or 50 years seems like a good bet, anything outside of that time period, who knows what'll happen. And the odds of having a storm exceed Katrina's power at landfall in the next 50 years hit a major city is slim.

Basically, what I am saying is: this is about as bad of a scenario as we can get, though worse is possible, worse is always possible, any further debate on how bad it can be is purely theoretical, academic and in terms of order of magnitude, inconsequential.

I get your point, but like I said above, the people in MS who used that logic because they survived Camille didn't make it. That's not inconsequential in my book.

Didn't people in New Orleans use that logic in New Orleans. Saying they had withstood Betsy and could survive anything

[f5]

Katrina was a Frederic for Mobile a Camille for Mississippi and finally a Betsy for New Orleans.So there you have it 3 hurricanes in one

[feederband]

Katrina was a Frederic for Mobile a Camille for Mississippi and finally a Betsy for New Orleans.So there you have it 3 hurricanes in one

what about fl

[AussieMark]

Katrina was a Frederic for Mobile a Camille for Mississippi and finally a Betsy for New Orleans.So there you have it 3 hurricanes in one

and they were the worst ones in their specified regions of all time or at least in the last century

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

Katrina was a Frederic for Mobile a Camille for Mississippi and finally a Betsy for New Orleans.So there you have it 3 hurricanes in one

what about fl

He/she was talking about the big ones. When Katrina hit Florida she was not bigger then the 1928 hurricane or the 1947 miami hurricane. Also she was not bigger then Andrew. So yes case in point she was a cat1 hurricane. What she did to the gulf coast is another story all together.

Ophelia off the East coast yes is a big deal. But not a big one in history.

[mtm4319]

Everyone needs to lay off ConvergenceZone. It probably wasn't the wisest post to make at the time, but everyone seems to forget that on Monday afternoon, it could have been worse. The city experienced cat-2 winds at most, and the levees had not broken. Considering New Orleans very well could have seen cat-4 winds and the water going over the levees, no, it was not the worst-case scenario.

He/she is NOT saying that New Orleans "dodged a bullet" now (it's obvious that it couldn't get much worse, really), but look at the time the post was made, people. That's all.

I think the moderators should lock this thread.

[f5]

katrina is a storm that will be talked about for Generations in mobile they had higher surge from Katrina then they did Frederic and Katrina made landfall over 100 miles away.It just goes to show you don't need a 190 mph Camille to cause distruction.

[ConvergenceZone]

This wasn't the doomsday hit? OH SORRY, FORGOT. I thought the city was 80% flooded, that many businesses were totally destroyed, that three levees overflowed, and that the city may be uninhabitable for months.
I was under the impression that people were killed, homes rendered rubble, and the infastructure in shambles, so as to affect the impact on the city for years. You mean that this wasn't the catastrophe I see on TV?? Are some people serious actutally indicating that New Orleand could have gotten away WORSE? Gad, what callousness on the part of some folk.

and you forget that this topic was created the morning after the storm PRIOR to the DELAYED flooding. This thread was based on first hand reports from reporters from CNN and FOX. Some folks on this thread are acting as if this thread was created AFTER the horrific flooding, which it wasn't.

Maybe the problem is not with the INITIAL observation of the thread.
I have a problem with the arrogance of defending the thoughts that were intially made when the media and most others THOUGHT that the bullet had been dodged.
Obviously, the destruction is exponentially higher than originally thought.

In my opinion, the attiude now should be one of "We thought the bullet was dodged and in retrospect BOY WERE WE WRONG!
NOT a continuing defense of the wrong initial assessment.

Tell all the displaced people face to face that they got off easy.and how "lucky" they are; because that is what is being inferred by the continued defense of your stance.

To continue to maintain that the bullet was dodged is insensitve, arrogant, inappropriate and just plain wrong.
Simple as that...

Perhaps a debate a year from now on how much WORSE it could have been would be more appropriate. The wounds are way too fresh right now to conduct this discussion on this board.

I fell better now that I got this off my chest

Well, I'm not going to mention what I thought about the person who bumped this thread up, but what I'm thinking isn't very nice. Blame the person who bumped this thread to the top, not the messenger relaying the info from the news prior to the reports.

Had the levees held, this WOULDN'T have been the big one as most of the deaths have come because of the floods and most of the homes are intact in New Orleans, just flooded. Yes, this was the big one for New Orleans because of all of the flooding, which obviously caused the horrific scene. They need to put a lock on this thread. I"m going to see if I can request it.

[ConvergenceZone]

Everyone needs to lay off ConvergenceZone. It probably wasn't the wisest post to make at the time, but everyone seems to forget that on Monday afternoon, it could have been worse. The city experienced cat-2 winds at most, and the levees had not broken. Considering New Orleans very well could have seen cat-4 winds and the water going over the levees, no, it was not the worst-case scenario.

He/she is NOT saying that New Orleans "dodged a bullet" now (it's obvious that it couldn't get much worse, really), but look at the time the post was made, people. That's all.

I think the moderators should lock this thread.

thanx for your kindness, and I also agree regarding the lock

[TampaBayBee]

Well, I'm not going to mention what I thought about the person who bumped this thread up, but what I'm thinking isn't very nice. Blame the person who bumped this thread to the top, not the messenger relaying the info from the news prior to the reports.

Had the levees held, this WOULDN'T have been the big one as most of the deaths have come because of the floods and most of the homes are intact in New Orleans, just flooded. Yes, this was the big one for New Orleans because of all of the flooding, which obviously caused the horrific scene. They need to put a lock on this thread. I"m going to see if I can request it.

You want to blame people who were without electricity for two weeks for reviewing the grossly inaccurate death and destruction assessments before aerial visualization and/or first responders. Following a plane crash, how often are the initial reports correct about the equipment model and number of pax/crew?

Perhaps the lesson here is to hold off on sweeping summations of an event until first responders are on the scene - and first responders are not the media wetheads who stood outside during the storm.

[tailgater]

a point about wind damage

a house that does not have hurricane straps is usually destroyed in category 2 winds. This is an F-1 tornado. Category 3 winds are F2 intensity, which can definately destroy structures since its prolonged voer a long period of time

In Florida, we dont see this type of damage since hurricane straps are mandatory

SINCE ANDREW

[Frank2]

Re: KatDaddy's post

You (and anyone else who posts here) should consider that the original post was made only several hours after Katrina made landfall further east of New Orleans than forecast, and before the flooding began, so the comment at that moment was understandable.

Too many people have a habit of making comments before they know all of the facts - typical for our society these days.

Frank

[vbhoutex]

It is too bad people can not discuss the subject of the original post without getting into a "blame game" or "you're so insensitive" etc. Some who are responding here have gone through a hellacious experience that none of us would like to go through, however, that does not give anyone on either side of the subject or opinion the right to be rude to others or call them names because you disagree with their opinion. Since the discussion is no longer about the original subject and obviously is not going back to it-wish granted. Thread locked.