Potential for 95L...Significant system or dud?

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#41 Postby LarryWx » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:15 am

Blown_away wrote:Amateur Prediction: Being it's mid September, climatolgy says it won't make it across the Caribbean to the Gulf. If this develops it will have potential to be a FL or Carolina player. Odds are recurvature before CONUS landfall. Unfortunatley it will likely crash into Dom/Haiti or Cuba on its way poleward, hopefully not as a significant storm. Based on discussion I've been reading from the expert's, it seems the conditions are good for development. The low latitude location, the models so far, and potential for significant development kind of reminds me of David.

http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif


My take on climo is that it would have its highest chance of hitting the U.S. if it does go into the Caribbean moving generally on a WNW heading.
The danger to the U.S. would be heightened if this system is first designated a TD between 55W and the Lesser Antilles. It would then likely take ~7-10 days after forming to hit the U.S. IF it were to do so. I found TEN storms that formed AFTER 9/14 in that location that later hit the U.S. since 1851. Six of these ten hit the Gulf coast (FIVE of these six hit western FL and FOUR of these six as a cat. 3+). Regarding the other four, one skirted SE FL (T.S.), two hit NC ( major Hazel as well as a T.S.), and one hit ME (extratropical). Four of these five major hits were at the Gulf coast (three for W. FL or FL Panhandle and one LA) while one hit near the NC/SC border (Hazel).
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#42 Postby LarryWx » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:23 am

skysummit wrote:With this season, I think we can throw climatological history out the window.


I don't think one should ever throw climatological history out the window.
It is always available as a tool to assess odds. The odds don't always "work out" so to speak. That doesn't mean the odds should be thrown out for future threat assessments. They are just "odds" (i.e. typically less than 100%) as opposed to a set in stone kind of thing (i.e. 100% definite). Odds of, say 90%, mean that one in ten times something else will happen. I will always consider climo odds, whether it be the rest of this season or any future season. Keep in mind that climo odds will adjust as more data gets added to the sample.
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#43 Postby skysummit » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:25 am

I guess I should've put j/j after that comment :D I know history is a great tool. It was just my opinion of how crazy this season has been so far.
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#44 Postby Brent » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:28 am

gilbert88 wrote:
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Brent wrote:Yeah... I think this is going to be a big one too. The Caribbean has had 2 months since Emily to recover. Frightening.

Phillippe truly scares me. Wasn't there a hurricane that hit Puerto Rico and Miami called "San Felipe" in 1927? :eek:


Well....that was the 1928 hurricane San "FEE-LEEP-A". This would be Hurricane "FEE-LEEP"


I never thought the "P" name would ever be given to a nasty long tracker. "Phillippe" is just too "winter-sounding". :eek:


Phillippe has never been used before either.
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#45 Postby PuertoRicoLibre » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:36 am

it has a 1009 mb llc guys, and it is not even a depression yet. The water in front of the islands is very warm this year, Gulf quality warmth that is. This will get really ugly for someone between the Virgin Islands and Haiti if it does not go NW fast. La merde! (It is a French name...)
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#46 Postby clfenwi » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:51 am

Blown_away wrote:Amateur Prediction: Being it's mid September, climatolgy says it won't make it across the Caribbean to the Gulf. If this develops it will have potential to be a FL or Carolina player. Odds are recurvature before CONUS landfall. Unfortunatley it will likely crash into Dom/Haiti or Cuba on its way poleward, hopefully not as a significant storm. Based on discussion I've been reading from the expert's, it seems the conditions are good for development. The low latitude location, the models so far, and potential for significant development kind of reminds me of David.

http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif


I disagree with your reading of the climo... there isn't enough of a record to make a statement that climo indicates anything in particular.

The September and later storms that have formed in the general vicinity of Invest 95 break out as follows:

Made it to the Gulf coast:

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Fizzled, but managed to make it to the coast as a tropical storm:

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Developed, but didn't make it to the Gulf coast:

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Ran across the Caribbean:

http://www.weather.unisys.com/hurricane ... /track.gif

Fizzled:

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#47 Postby Fego » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:52 am

Go! Invest 95! be a TD.. be a Tropical Storm! so you can be named Phillippe. :wink: Ehh.. sorry.. it happens that my name is Felipe, and well ..Phillppe will be my french cousin.
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#48 Postby caribepr » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:00 am

Fego wrote:Go! Invest 95! be a TD.. be a Tropical Storm! so you can be named Phillippe. :wink: Ehh.. sorry.. it happens that my name is Felipe, and well ..Phillppe will be my french cousin.


Hope your *cousin* doesn't come visiting you - or us! :(
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#49 Postby cajungal » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:32 am

What scares me is that if, if, if this system develops, (I am not hyping about it now), is that is looks likely to enter the caribbean. And a lot of systems that enter the caribbean enter the gulf next. The caribbean seems to be the gateway to the gulf this year.
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#50 Postby gtalum » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:51 am

If this thing were to make it into the Gulf, what kind of timeframe are we talking?
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#51 Postby Brent » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:05 am

gtalum wrote:If this thing were to make it into the Gulf, what kind of timeframe are we talking?


Probably not til late next week.
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#52 Postby Mattie » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:09 am

late next week would still be too soon. Can we get a messenger out there and tell him to "go east young man, go east" ;-).
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#53 Postby fci » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:47 am

Mattie wrote:late next week would still be too soon. Can we get a messenger out there and tell him to "go east young man, go east" ;-).


You would need somone to translate your message into French to communicate with the future Phillippe. :lol: :lol:
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#54 Postby Shoshana » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:52 am

via AltaVista,

"vont le jeune homme est, vont à l'est"

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#55 Postby Mattie » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:54 am

Merci
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#56 Postby Shoshana » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:55 am

:D

No worries.
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#57 Postby Blown Away » Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:09 pm

Reply to clfenwi:
I should have been more specific. It's 9/15, the chances of a storm in the location of 95L forming and tracking through the Caribbean into the Gulf and affecting areas W of FL are lower than they were a few weeks ago and I'm basing that only on the calendar and history. A N or W Gulf track would take @10 days from the 95L spot. Of course it could happen, but If it were going to effect the CONUS the chances are higher for FL or EC.
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#58 Postby Mattie » Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:41 pm

In the post about which storm would be the strongest, etc. in 2005, someone wrote:

scostorms wrote:I actually had a crazy dream two nights ago. It was a hurricane, big one, that made landfall near Lake Charles, Louisiana. I think it is because my emotions are high for the hurricane, and I can't stop thinking about what happens if another one comes. Don't take me as a phsycic, just a dream. I'd watch Phillipe, since I first read the name list, Phillipe sparked a bad feeling in my gut. Most likely, Phillipe will be a TS not making any landfall.


Let's hope his/her prediction comes true.
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#59 Postby O Town » Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:10 pm

Mattie wrote:In the post about which storm would be the strongest, etc. in 2005, someone wrote:

scostorms wrote:I actually had a crazy dream two nights ago. It was a hurricane, big one, that made landfall near Lake Charles, Louisiana. I think it is because my emotions are high for the hurricane, and I can't stop thinking about what happens if another one comes. Don't take me as a phsycic, just a dream. I'd watch Phillipe, since I first read the name list, Phillipe sparked a bad feeling in my gut. Most likely, Phillipe will be a TS not making any landfall.


Let's hope his/her prediction comes true.
Not to get way off subject, but my best friend had a dream the night Katrina was hitting, before we knew the levees had failed that she was somewhere, didnt know where, but there where a ton of people in all this water trying to get to higher ground climbing trees and buildings and stuff. She said there was alot of screaming and total chaois. It really put chills up and down my spine when she told me this early the following morning. So people do have a funny sense of intuition, sometimes in the form of a dream. So yea lets hope she is right. But my gut tells me other wise, I have a feeling it will be much more than a TS. :(
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#60 Postby Swimdude » Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:15 pm

Here we go again... This has been a "sweet" spot for Major's this year. Dennis / Emily...
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