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#21 Postby wxwatcher91 » Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:08 am

~Floydbuster wrote:SLIM CHANCE OF MAJOR HURRICANE?

If it moves out over waters 85-95 degrees, and ideal upper level conditions...I think once its at 90 mph...its all rapid deepening from there. What do you see that's making it's chance slim???


well at this point it is pretty early to say anything for certain... I think the main thing that will make the chances slim is the track... Katrina might not spend that much time in the Gulf... if she strikes the Florida panhandle she will most likely strike around 90mph...if she strikes further west then her strength will be higher from prolonged time in the GOM...
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#22 Postby wxwatcher91 » Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:44 pm

ok well ignore that post I made above about Katrina... hey the NHC had her as a cat 1 at landfall...

anyway an update is at the top of page 1
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#23 Postby Jim Hughes » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:36 pm

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cycloneye wrote:Will 2005 have two more names to add to the record very soon?


Yes. And the people who boldly predicted a dead 2nd half of season with a total of 14 or so storms will bust badly.


The winner may lie in between both the bold and conservative. There could easily be two losers because the experts who boldy predicted 20/10/6 may also miss the totals by just as much when you look at the intensity level and not just the storm totals.

August's NTC activity was about 16% below what Gray had been calling for for the month of August even with Katrina being a major hurricane. Mind you I do not think that that is to bad but lets see what September does for the NTC totals.

The hurricane to named storm percentage still is about the same with August being 40 %. We would need to see 15 more formations at the same ratio to end up with ten hurricanes...six intense....still possible though but it will be tough.



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#24 Postby JamesFromMaine2 » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:50 pm

well with the GFDL now predicting 92L as a cat 4/5 within 120 hours that should make up for Agust with intensity!
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#25 Postby sma10 » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:23 pm

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cycloneye wrote:Will 2005 have two more names to add to the record very soon?


Yes. And the people who boldly predicted a dead 2nd half of season with a total of 14 or so storms will bust badly.


The winner may lie in between both the bold and conservative. There could easily be two losers because the experts who boldy predicted 20/10/6 may also miss the totals by just as much when you look at the intensity level and not just the storm totals.

August's NTC activity was about 16% below what Gray had been calling for for the month of August even with Katrina being a major hurricane. Mind you I do not think that that is to bad but lets see what September does for the NTC totals.

The hurricane to named storm percentage still is about the same with August being 40 %. We would need to see 15 more formations at the same ratio to end up with ten hurricanes...six intense....still possible though but it will be tough.



Jim


To reach the EXACT figures of 20/10/6 we must finish the season from here on: 8/6/3. I agree that would be tough to do, but far from impossible. If I were a betting man, however, I would certainly wager that we will end up far closer to 20 total named storms than 14.
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#26 Postby Jim Hughes » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:53 am

sma10 wrote:
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cycloneye wrote:Will 2005 have two more names to add to the record very soon?


Yes. And the people who boldly predicted a dead 2nd half of season with a total of 14 or so storms will bust badly.


The winner may lie in between both the bold and conservative. There could easily be two losers because the experts who boldy predicted 20/10/6 may also miss the totals by just as much when you look at the intensity level and not just the storm totals.

August's NTC activity was about 16% below what Gray had been calling for for the month of August even with Katrina being a major hurricane. Mind you I do not think that that is to bad but lets see what September does for the NTC totals.

The hurricane to named storm percentage still is about the same with August being 40 %. We would need to see 15 more formations at the same ratio to end up with ten hurricanes...six intense....still possible though but it will be tough.



Jim


To reach the EXACT figures of 20/10/6 we must finish the season from here on: 8/6/3. I agree that would be tough to do, but far from impossible. If I were a betting man, however, I would certainly wager that we will end up far closer to 20 total named storms than 14.



I believe I said it would be possibe also but 8/6/3 would go against the grain of what we have seen since July. Only two of the past seven have made hurricane status. But those that do seem to intensify quite nicely.

I know we are entering the peak but I firmly believe in the space weather connection. Especially in relation to these stronger hurricanes and I do not forsee any extreme eruptional patterns for the next 3-5 days on the visible side but I could be wrong.

The backside of the sun is extremely active right now and we have seen some energetic particle increases because of these eruptions. These increases are not of the norm during backside events but they can occur during extreme eruptional events.

I think the recent stronger tropical wave action increase is related to these eruptions /particle increases. The overall space weather activity has picked up the prior 48-72 hours just like it had before Katrina took off. Geomagnetic activity has also been on the rise.

The big difference during the next several days will be the location of these eruptions. The sunspot region where these eruptions are most likely originating from, is rotating towards dead center on the backside. So it will be less likely to cause any increased space weather from here on out.

Now in 5-7 days it could be a much different story when it approaches the eastern limb of the sun as it rotates towards us. The magnetic field vectors, along with it's quadrant location, should favor tropical enhancement. Of course the eruption pattern may diminish if the region does not stay magnetically complexed. It is very hard for a sunspot region to sustain it's magnetic complexity when continual strong flaring /eruptions occur.

Sort of like a strong front loosing it's steam after increased thunderstorm activity. The weather on the sun is similar to here on earth and most would be surprised if they read up on it. Strong flaring is much like tornadic activity. Flares occur along inversion lines of different magnetic polarities. Much like tornadoes occur near different air masses. Twisting etc...the same...


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#27 Postby HURAKAN » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:00 am

2005 takes the lead in named storms now with Maria.
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#28 Postby wxwatcher91 » Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:00 am

quick update at the top of page 1...
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#29 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:15 am

Keep them coming into we have 22 named storms for the record!!! 8-)
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#30 Postby cjrciadt » Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:23 am

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Keep them coming into we have 22 named storms for the record!!! 8-)
Ophelia on the way!
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#31 Postby bvigal » Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:19 am

wxwatcher91 wrote:...
23/1145 UTC 21.3N 74.1W T1.0/1.0 10
23/1145 UTC 17.1N 36.2W T1.5/1.5 97


Could someone tell me, please, where you find these Tnumbers?
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#32 Postby Swimdude » Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:14 pm

1933 = 21/10/5
2005 = 14/5/4

Assuming Nate becomes a hurricane, and assuming TD#16 will become TS Ophelia... We'll then have 15/6/4 ... We're getting there!
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#33 Postby wxwatcher91 » Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:48 pm

bvigal wrote:
wxwatcher91 wrote:...
23/1145 UTC 21.3N 74.1W T1.0/1.0 10
23/1145 UTC 17.1N 36.2W T1.5/1.5 97


Could someone tell me, please, where you find these Tnumbers?


well first of all to make sure there is no confusion, those T#s are very old (23/1145)

go here for T#s: http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/positions.html
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#34 Postby wxwatcher91 » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:28 pm

UPDATE at the top of page 1 for Ophelia... next NS kicks 2004 out the door!
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#35 Postby wxwatcher91 » Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:29 pm

mid September update at the top of page one

... kinda looking gloomy now but sure to pick up so dont worry record-seekers :wink:
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#36 Postby NastyCat4 » Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:51 am

After Katrina, is anyone still really seriously concerned with breaking records? :eek:
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#37 Postby jasons2k » Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:04 pm

Steve wrote:>>The incredibly high expectations for this season have clouded the judgement of most of us here. Its inactive for a little while(lull) and doom is spelled right away. Maybe we should just lay off the number predicting and get back to just watching and learning.

I think it's the ever-shortening attention spans of the American public, most of whom are stuck in Freud's anal stage requiring immediate gratification at all times lest they pout, have hissy fits and make proclaimations that aren't firmly rooted in reality.

/just my take

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I hope Steve is back online sometime soon. I know he is dealing with a lot but I miss his posts.
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#38 Postby arcticfire » Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:06 pm

NastyCat4 wrote:After Katrina, is anyone still really seriously concerned with breaking records? :eek:


Why people are so obsessed with comparing compeltly unrelated weather from ages past to the current totally seperate events is beyond me. Like driving a car while staring in the rear view mirror. Records are just something for people to focus on I think, like rooting for a favorite sports team. You can no more influince the outcome of that football game on TV then whats happening now has any relation to 1995 season or 1933 for that matter. However I think people take comfort in having something to assosiate with the storms they can root for rather then focusing only on the death and destruction they cause. Records I think give the sence of a "goal" , some way to personally connect with the season as a whole.

I'm rambling mostly but if it's not clear I agree with you , records are a moot point and given far to much focus in the event of current conditions which are by far more where the focus should lay imho. Everyone copes with things in their own way thow so to each their own.
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#39 Postby wxwatcher91 » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:56 pm

arcticfire wrote:
NastyCat4 wrote:After Katrina, is anyone still really seriously concerned with breaking records? :eek:


Why people are so obsessed with comparing compeltly unrelated weather from ages past to the current totally seperate events is beyond me. Like driving a car while staring in the rear view mirror. Records are just something for people to focus on I think, like rooting for a favorite sports team. You can no more influince the outcome of that football game on TV then whats happening now has any relation to 1995 season or 1933 for that matter. However I think people take comfort in having something to assosiate with the storms they can root for rather then focusing only on the death and destruction they cause. Records I think give the sence of a "goal" , some way to personally connect with the season as a whole.

I'm rambling mostly but if it's not clear I agree with you , records are a moot point and given far to much focus in the event of current conditions which are by far more where the focus should lay imho. Everyone copes with things in their own way thow so to each their own.


It's not "coping" that we root for records. most of us are here because we love hurricanes. yes what happened with Katrina was terrible and really what happens with ANY hurricane when it strikes is sad however THEY HAPPEN, and like you said we can not control the outcome. this season is incredible and I for one am rooting for incredibility! I am all for active through December! I am NOT however wishing hurricanes on anyone.

Please, this has been brought up just too many times on this board. I made this thread so people could look and compare the seasons to get a perspective of our record chances this year.

If people REALLY want this thread down say so and I will ask for it to be deleted
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#40 Postby nequad » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:23 pm

I'd like to see the '33 record broken. I think it's something peculiar that we might not see again in our life times. When I'm old and gray I can tell my grandchildren I survived the 2005 hurricane season!
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